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Knixkik
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3/16/2022  8:44 AM
I don’t have a link but it’s on bleacher report. This is probably expected. No coach was going to perform better under this season’s circumstances. He will get a 3rd year to bounce back. He’s Leon’s guy, and Johnnie Bryant is the eventual successor and probably isn’t ready to take over. There will be a concerted effort to bring in guys more suited for a Thibs team, as Leon probably takes some responsibility for going away from that with Kemba at PG. An expanded role for Grimes, who is a more talented version of Bullock, and a new PG who attacks the basket more and gives more resistance on defense (Brunson?) sounds like the approach here. A healthy-ish D Rose goes without saying too.
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3/16/2022  10:16 AM
good... he's not perfect but the team plays hard, guys are developing and getting better. He plays his guys too much and too long but they also play their asses off for him and he we have coaches who surely didnt get that.
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3/16/2022  10:59 AM
Good. I was worried we were going to make the same mistake we did with Woody back in 2014. Leon and co. needs to get Thibs HIS type of players this offseason.
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3/16/2022  11:07 AM
Continuity is something the Knicks haven’t tried in ages. I’d say worth giving it a shot.
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3/16/2022  12:02 PM
SergioNYK wrote:Good. I was worried we were going to make the same mistake we did with Woody back in 2014. Leon and co. needs to get Thibs HIS type of players this offseason.


I like/support Thibs but if we are going for "his" type of player I feel that limits us to the following:

Anyone who played for the Bulls between 2009-2013
Retired players from the 90s
Jimmy Butler
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3/16/2022  12:02 PM
He’s had a bad season but absolutely deserves a third year. I just hope we can get a pg or 2 this offseason I am forever nauseated from watching Burks run point the entire season
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3/16/2022  12:39 PM
jskinny35 wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Good. I was worried we were going to make the same mistake we did with Woody back in 2014. Leon and co. needs to get Thibs HIS type of players this offseason.


I like/support Thibs but if we are going for "his" type of player I feel that limits us to the following:

Anyone who played for the Bulls between 2009-2013
Retired players from the 90s
Jimmy Butler

RJ, Grimes and Mitch seem to be doing well under Thibs. Get more players like them.
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3/16/2022  1:50 PM
SergioNYK wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Good. I was worried we were going to make the same mistake we did with Woody back in 2014. Leon and co. needs to get Thibs HIS type of players this offseason.


I like/support Thibs but if we are going for "his" type of player I feel that limits us to the following:

Anyone who played for the Bulls between 2009-2013
Retired players from the 90s
Jimmy Butler

RJ, Grimes and Mitch seem to be doing well under Thibs. Get more players like them.

Thibs is playing the yoots and seeing their value. So maybe Thibs and the FO can get on the same page this off season and start including the yoots into the team plans for next season. I feel like Kemba and Fournier were not hand picked by Thibs, but I could be wrong. With the yoots progressing under Thibs, maybe the FO will move different this time around.

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3/16/2022  2:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2022  2:23 PM
I never bought into the rumors that Thibs might get fired at the end of the season. First off, he is in year 2 of a 5 year commitment. Don't see Dolan eating the money for those remaining 3 years. Despite the fact that we may have underperformed the front office and coaching staffs expectations for this year, we overperformed last year and the coach won coach of the year. Also, add the fact that he does have a relationship with Rose and Wes, there was no doubt in my mind that he was coming back.
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3/16/2022  3:01 PM
The team never gave up on him, or him on them. They are playing hard.
Yoot is developing. RJ is a stud.
There is chemistry issues but its not like another coach can automatically fix that either.
He reeled Randle closer back to "Bubble Randle" and mid season that was a good thing.
Thibs coached his ass off last year. This year he made some mistakes. Firing the guy don't bring that back.
Kemba was awful. Fornier is not far from being more complete and play better. Im on the fence about him. He really has played to his career numbers but its hot and cold with him.
If I had the answers they could hire me. I don't.
I would be shocked if they do fire him. There would be something we don't see that is more egregious than what we can see. Shit like when Mark Jax was fired after his paranoia thing.
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3/16/2022  3:13 PM
actually if anyone should be fired it's the front office.

Coming into the season, they had as our PG options - Derek Rose and Kemba Walker. I thought at best you could count on them for each to perhaps give you 40% of minutes towards the full 48. But even that was wildly optimistic.

We should have found a way to keep Payton or some other viable option than a second round draft pick or 2nd year player who has never really played pg.
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3/16/2022  3:13 PM
jskinny35 wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Good. I was worried we were going to make the same mistake we did with Woody back in 2014. Leon and co. needs to get Thibs HIS type of players this offseason.


I like/support Thibs but if we are going for "his" type of player I feel that limits us to the following:

Anyone who played for the Bulls between 2009-2013
Retired players from the 90s
Jimmy Butler



Seems like RJ is a "Thibs player"? Grimes? Deuce? Simms?
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3/16/2022  3:17 PM
franco12 wrote:actually if anyone should be fired it's the front office.

Coming into the season, they had as our PG options - Derek Rose and Kemba Walker. I thought at best you could count on them for each to perhaps give you 40% of minutes towards the full 48. But even that was wildly optimistic.

We should have found a way to keep Payton or some other viable option than a second round draft pick or 2nd year player who has never really played pg.

Sometimes injuries just happen and you call it day. Making PG rotation 5 deeps ain't worth it.

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3/16/2022  3:35 PM
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:actually if anyone should be fired it's the front office.

Coming into the season, they had as our PG options - Derek Rose and Kemba Walker. I thought at best you could count on them for each to perhaps give you 40% of minutes towards the full 48. But even that was wildly optimistic.

We should have found a way to keep Payton or some other viable option than a second round draft pick or 2nd year player who has never really played pg.

Sometimes injuries just happen and you call it day. Making PG rotation 5 deeps ain't worth it.

You mean you could reasonably depend on two very old, high mileage PGs to hold up to the rigors of a full year?

Because what happened was not that hard to see - I certainly saw it as a very real possibility.

Injuries happen, but old guys get banged up more than young guys, and there are some players with a history of injuries.

I'm not advocating that the FO should have had 5 PGs lined up- but when you sign 2 over 30 guys with their back ground, maybe they should have had a more legit option than a 2nd round draft pick and IQ.

The stem-cell injections new Knicks point guard Kemba Walker took in his left knee before last season are a strong indicator he is suffering from a type of arthritis that could greatly impact the 2021-22 season, according to a leading sports orthopedic surgeon.

Sure - we can downplay it as it is Berman - but facts is facts.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/06/kemba-walkers-knee-injury-could-become-dicey-knicks-situation/

Or - let's not make a big deal:

In New York Homecoming, Kemba Walker Downplays Knee Injury, Says ‘The Knicks Believed In Me’

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2021/08/17/in-new-york-homecoming-kemba-walker-downplays-knee-injury-says-the-knicks-believed-in-me/?sh=3920395f7948

Kemba was a horrific gamble, and if the Knick FO were surgeons operating, the patient would be dead at their hands. It was a risk. And that isn't even touching on the issue of whether Kemba was the kind of player Thibs would generate value with.
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3/16/2022  3:45 PM
Nalod wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Good. I was worried we were going to make the same mistake we did with Woody back in 2014. Leon and co. needs to get Thibs HIS type of players this offseason.


I like/support Thibs but if we are going for "his" type of player I feel that limits us to the following:

Anyone who played for the Bulls between 2009-2013
Retired players from the 90s
Jimmy Butler



Seems like RJ is a "Thibs player"? Grimes? Deuce? Simms?

Thibs deserves credit for RJ's leap and development this season.
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3/16/2022  3:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2022  3:47 PM
I’m glad for Thibs that he is being brought back. He needs to become a better coach and he needs to coach properly. Enough with vets nonsense learn to adjust on his own. And the public shouldn’t have to tell him what is right moves to go forward. MCBride should have been getting run from the beginning. Make me think front office controls his coaching moves and plays the contracts rather than the talent.
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3/16/2022  3:54 PM
Uptown wrote:I never bought into the rumors that Thibs might get fired at the end of the season. First off, he is in year 2 of a 5 year commitment. Don't see Dolan eating the money for those remaining 3 years. Despite the fact that we may have underperformed the front office and coaching staffs expectations for this year, we overperformed last year and the coach won coach of the year. Also, add the fact that he does have a relationship with Rose and Wes, there was no doubt in my mind that he was coming back.
Thibs was Leon's guy. Who is he adding that is coming in and getting more wins? If Thibs get chopped it will be in year 4 and things will have to be going really bad for that to happen Im guessing.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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3/16/2022  5:26 PM
Letting Woody go (the first time) was a mistake, but even then, it was clear he was losing the team - specifically Melo/JR.

Thibs has most certainly not lost this team. Results have been disappointing this year, but the roster top to bottom is still listening to Coach and doing what their told (with varying degrees of success).

I think somethings still need to happen - maybe bring in an assistant with a better offensive plan. FO has some obvious work at PG to figure out. And collectively need to figure out what we're doing with Obi. But I'm more than happy to run with Thibs.
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3/16/2022  6:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2022  7:07 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:Letting Woody go (the first time) was a mistake, but even then, it was clear he was losing the team - specifically Melo/JR.

Thibs has most certainly not lost this team. Results have been disappointing this year, but the roster top to bottom is still listening to Coach and doing what their told (with varying degrees of success).

I think somethings still need to happen - maybe bring in an assistant with a better offensive plan. FO has some obvious work at PG to figure out. And collectively need to figure out what we're doing with Obi. But I'm more than happy to run with Thibs.

Giving in to lazy selfish Melo and boneheaded JR and dismissing Woodson...ugh...says it all....
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