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I feel like this is a reasonable TANK play for Thibs:
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fishmike
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2/28/2022  1:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2022  1:15 PM
PG Quickly
SG RJ
SF Reddish
PF Jules
C Mitch
bench: Burks/Fournier/Grimes/Obi/center

Let the young guys play. Let the vets play vs. bench guys. They will look better and it can only help their value. Thibs can still play his guys and when Burks is having one of his sniper games you ride him etc...

Cant ask them to lose but its fair to look at a couple guys in different roles.

We are 5 games back on the loss side to the coveted 10th seed. Its stupid to think its a reasonable goal, especially with the schedule we have. But we are only a few games ahead of SAS,SAC,IND... if we fall behind those guys its a difference of picking 5th vs. 8th which is significant. If we win games fine, it means guys are playing well and we need that also.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/28/2022  3:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2022  6:04 PM
I’d be happy (unfortunately) to see EF get extended minutes when Julius is not on the floor.

I don’t think the two are ever going to click on a consistent basis.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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2/28/2022  5:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2022  6:12 AM
fishmike wrote:PG Quickly
SG RJ
SF Reddish
PF Jules
C Mitch
bench: Burks/Fournier/Grimes/Obi/center

Let the young guys play. Let the vets play vs. bench guys. They will look better and it can only help their value. Thibs can still play his guys and when Burks is having one of his sniper games you ride him etc...

Cant ask them to lose but its fair to look at a couple guys in different roles.

We are 5 games back on the loss side to the coveted 10th seed. Its stupid to think its a reasonable goal, especially with the schedule we have. But we are only a few games ahead of SAS,SAC,IND... if we fall behind those guys its a difference of picking 5th vs. 8th which is significant. If we win games fine, it means guys are playing well and we need that also.


We are 5 games back on the loss side to the coveted 10th seed. Its stupid to think its a reasonable goal, especially with the schedule we have. But we are only a few games ahead of SAS,SAC,IND... if we fall behind those guys its a difference of picking 5th vs. 8th which is significant. If we win games fine, it means guys are playing well and we need that also.

I think 6 is the best position we can move up to. But I like that starting 5. Moves RJ back to the SG where he was last year. Gets Cam in there with tremendous length.

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2/28/2022  5:51 PM
The Covid Protocols season (plus injury to D.Rose/Noel) made it posible for the Knicks to play the summer-league starter 5 lineup as the Knicks 2nd unit bemch lineup in the regular season .. Deuce McBride, Quickley, Grimes, Obi Toppin, Sims/Taj Gibson. Win or Loss .. their future growth as NBA teammates receiving consistent playing time is important.

Coach Thibs Starter 5 lineup last-season and this season has the same incompetent problem as ex-Knicks coach Fizdale had with the starter unit .. No chemistry, no ball movement, no one on the same-page, no coach plan, and no coach plays on offense/defense. The Knicks were lucky last season to have assistant coach Woodson on the bench, plus a healthy D.Rose leadership playing all 12 minutes of the 4th quarter for a Knicks win in the regular season. Recall in 2012 Knicks season Woodson had a healthy Jason Kidd leadership play the entire 4th quarter all season for a successful winning season.

Head coach Thibs have a BAD habit of giving 35 to 40 minutes of playing time each game for two seasons to Randle, RJ Barrett, and Burks. Coach Thibs three most valuable players who poor defense lose more games than win, because they are never on the same-page together, plus have no chemistry together on both sides of the court. The only thing they have in common is keep feeding the HOT player.
Thibs taking Kemba out of the rotation early in the season DIVIDED the players in the locker-room !!!
Either the Knicks get assistant coach Woodson back, or FIRE coach Thibs asap !!!

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2/28/2022  6:17 PM

If this is our true percentage then Thibs has been doing a wonderful job tanking by mistake.

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2/28/2022  6:42 PM
I don’t believe that thibs would ever tank. We have to accept the team is just fair at best. Has its moments. But tanking on purpose? I don’t think we do that
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2/28/2022  6:42 PM
Clean wrote:

If this is our true percentage then Thibs has been doing a wonderful job tanking by mistake.

46% chance to get #9.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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2/28/2022  7:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I don’t believe that thibs would ever tank. We have to accept the team is just fair at best. Has its moments. But tanking on purpose? I don’t think we do that

How many years have Thibs been a head coach?
How many times have head coach Thibs took his team to the playoff?
How many playoff series has head coach Thibs won?
Before the Bulls hired Thibs, the Bulls had a 2nd round playoff roster having a healthy young Noah, and a healthy all-star Deng, and Kurt Thomas leadership in the frontcourt for their new all-star rookie D.Rose, and new head coach Thibs.
Thibs talent is best as an NBA assistant coach !!!

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2/28/2022  7:35 PM
ToddTT wrote:
Clean wrote:

If this is our true percentage then Thibs has been doing a wonderful job tanking by mistake.

46% chance to get #9.

The Knicks FO spent over $65M in free agency in the 2021 offseason, and $3.5M on 3 draft picks to go on a 2-8 run every 10 games each month of the regular season. The month of March starts tomorrow, and my money is on Thibs having another 2-8 record in March.

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2/28/2022  10:48 PM
Don't you dare remove Evan Fournier from our starting 5 and stick him on the BENCH.

The time to do that was 30 games ago.

Evan Fournier gives us the best chance to get a top 3-5 pick because his Defense is worse than atrocious; it's disgusting.

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3/1/2022  6:15 AM
ToddTT wrote:
Clean wrote:

If this is our true percentage then Thibs has been doing a wonderful job tanking by mistake.

46% chance to get #9.

You mean 100%, no?

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3/1/2022  7:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2022  10:25 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Don't you dare remove Evan Fournier from our starting 5 and stick him on the BENCH.

The time to do that was 30 games ago.

Evan Fournier gives us the best chance to get a top 3-5 pick because his Defense is worse than atrocious; it's disgusting.

We get more from developing the youth than tanking. Tanking doesn’t guarantee anything but leave us frustrated come draft time. Playing deuce McBride, cam and sims guarantees player development. We already know about EF and Burks. I think we can still lose with them two sitting next to Noel. Let Mitch earn that money and sims backing up Mitch. Cam needs a new contract, how much is he worth. Deuce needs to play so next year he won’t have a rough start, if he’s part of thibs rotation.

We can tank until we all turn blue and still get the 9th pick. That’s just a franchise that’s cursed and continues to have bad luck. I’m tired of playing the tank game. It doesn’t work with the new format.

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3/1/2022  9:06 PM
The number 8 pick awaits fellas
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3/2/2022  4:34 PM
Philc1 wrote:The number 8 pick awaits fellas
your mom awaits
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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3/2/2022  8:26 PM
Coach Thibs does not do anything reasonable .. The day Thibs took Kemba out of the rotation, and decrease the Knicks 10 man rotation to a 9 man rotation .. the TANKING was on!

At first I thought coach Thibs seen some potential in rookie Deuce-Mcbride to replace Kemba in the rotation, but it wasn't. Thibs had an AGENDA!
Head coach Thibs did the same thing he did in the Knicks postseason games when the Knicks were 1-1 with the Hawks. Thibs went an decrease the Knicks 10 man rotation to a 9 man rotation by taking Payton out of the rotation, then playing old-man D.Rose an extra 11 min more each game than he was averaging in the regular season (from 24 min to 35 min) to be tired in the 4th quarter.
The Knicks success in the 2020-21 regular season were from D.Rose leadership and decision-making by playing the entire 12 min of the 4th quarter of each regular season game.
Coach Woodson and Jason Kid did the same thing for the Knicks in 2012-13 for a successful season.

I would be a 100% fan for coach Thibs this season if two or all three rookies and both 2nd season players been averaging 18 to 24 minutes per game for their NBA development & growth, especially when Covid Protocols hit the NBA league hard in November/December.

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3/3/2022  9:07 AM
The only players that matter on the roster, for different reasons, are:

Randle
EF
Rose
Burks
Barrett
Toppin
Reddish
IQ
Grimes
McBride
Sims
And maybe Mitch? Leon where are you?

I’d shut Rose down for the year because what’s the point

If you include Mitch that’s 11 guys

What’s the point of starting Burks? Wouldn’t it make sense to go to the yoots first, then stick Burks wherever a young guy might be inconsistent on any given night?

And maybe that means Burks doesn’t play but whatever… he’s good but he’s not the future and he didn’t do enough in the present for us to shift the primary focus to development

So there you go, that’s the rotation, you have to play EF because what are we gonna get in a trade if we don’t?

I think it is such bull**** we gave him that contract but were so desperate to rid ourselves of THJ. I know different regimes but Christ man that was not ancient history. But as it relates to our poorly constructed roster, I think the single best thing for our club would be if we could get EF a very hollow 18ppg on 40 from 3 we could talk someone into acquiring Mr Charmin Ultra instead of stapling a first rounder to him and trading him for an expiring contract

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I feel like this is a reasonable TANK play for Thibs:

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