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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
2/19/2022 1:28 AM
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/cap/2022/
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
Even with a lot of cap space clearance, can the Trail Blazers entice someone like Beal or LaVine, to leave money on the table, to come play with Lillard? Hornets likely match anything for Miles Bridges. Sexton has the injury situation. Irving has the off the court/COVID19 thing and it's hard to see right now how that plays out long term. Ayton doesn't seem like he's going to get the kind of money he wants from anyone period. If Portland runs out of their primary options, the Knicks should offer Julius Randle into the Trail Blazers open cap space. Unfortunately Randle makes too much in 2022-23 to fit seamlessly into the McCollum trade exception, however that exception can still be useful to Portland after they trade for Randle, if they are inclined. Also Portland has been having some attendance problems, and that's more than just the pandemic and the economy in general, the team's struggles are pushing fans away. Maybe more "empty gym" type moments will give Randle a boost elsewhere in the league. For the Knicks, they can get out from under Randle's contract, give RJ Barrett a chance to lead this team, open up minutes for Obi Toppin (I'm not a Toppin fan, but Ski Rack needs minutes to show more of what he can or can't do for this team) and move Randle to a Western Conference team, which is generally preferable for most Eastern teams in a trade. The ask? A couple of 2nds. Or just one 2nd round pick. Or Justise Winslow and a couple of cases of Hot Pockets. The box of hobo's dick cheese from Les Grossman's office in Tropic Thunder. I don't really care at this point. I don't assess the trade deadline moves by Portland this year to be all that great. I recognize it's sort of a complicated situation there. They weren't moving forward and Lillard is getting older and wants a better team around him. Maybe they can be hoodwinked into eating this Randle contract if he's basically "free". If the Wizards can dump Westbrook and get something out of it, maybe the Knicks can get Randle packing and luck out a little here. Thoughts? Discuss |
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
2/19/2022 1:53 AM
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HoustonSprewell84
Posts: 20178 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 2/6/2021 Member: #8931 |
2/19/2022 10:07 AM
I don’t see the benefit of trading Randle as a salary dump
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Philc1
Posts: 28292 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
2/19/2022 10:05 PM
No one wants Randle or Fournier. Those contracts are acid
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
2/19/2022 11:53 PM
Knixkik wrote:I still don’t see the benefit in trading Randle. It’s not his fault we have a flawed roster with no PG. Let’s fix that first.
Year Age Base Salary Likely Incent. Unlikely Incent. Trade Bonus Cap Hit Dead Cap 2022-23 27 $23,760,000 $2,376,000 - $26,136,000 $23,760,000 $23,760,000($23,760,000) 15% Trade Bonus
The Knicks signed Randle understanding his age 29 and 30 years might not be as good as his hopeful age 27 and 28 years. This kind of effect is much larger in baseball ( i.e. Clayton Kershaw or Bryce Harper, etc, where teams understand near the end of those deals, it's going to get pretty ugly, but they are really invested in the earlier part, where those teams want to contend and get that players better younger years)
1) Portland will have it's open cap space this offseason, and once it's gone, it's likely gone for several more years. The window to strike with Portland is right now. The number of teams who might eat Randle's contract will shrink and shrink as time goes on. He will get older and more expensive and that trade kicker will look uglier and uglier and if he keeps loafing it and playing like an *******, his reputation will move past the "Needs A Change Of Scenery" type of narrative. 2) Portland needs to appease Damon Lillard immediately. Does Randle win them a championship? No. But the team can say tried to do something and were willing to spend to try to make something positive happen in the waning years of his career 3) The longer the Knicks wait, the more there is a risk of a Randle major injury that makes him truly impossible to trade 4) Right now is when his "salary matching" even with the trade kicker, will be more tenable for other teams. As good as it's going to get is right now. This is when Randle is the youngest and closest to this lone All Star appearance and this is when his cap charge will be the cheapest. ( Cheapest as in relatively to that stupid mind numbing contract that was given out to an empty gym hero finally exposed as a mental midget who won't stop bitching about everything )
But is Randle doing his part, his responsibility, to make the best out of the situation presented and lead this team? No. One problem doesn't wipe out accountability for the other. Some of you believe so, and it's actually inexplicable to me how the excuses can keep rolling for a player who just doesn't give a **** anymore. The benefit of trading Randle is to dump his salary now before that contract looks uglier and uglier over time. You can't have a guy basically making 30 million a year who doesn't give a **** at all. And who plays like a complete and total *******. That's going to drag this team down for the next upcoming four years. |
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
2/20/2022 12:30 AM
doomed wrote:Knixkik wrote:I still don’t see the benefit in trading Randle. It’s not his fault we have a flawed roster with no PG. Let’s fix that first. Not trading him for trash. Just a pure salary dump. What are the benefits? 1) Let RJ Barrett get a chance to try to lead this team. 2) Let Obi Toppin take those freed up minutes to show the team what he can or can't do to help them in the future 3) Improve morale on the team by taking away a clearly toxic element. 4) Generate hopefully a large trade exception ( even if you take close to nothing back, odds are you'll get a valuable trade exception and maybe Brock Aller can spin that into something useful) 5) Free up some cap space and a roster spot for a player who actually wants to play hard and be a New York Knick.
Barkley was right. You can't be the leader of this team and do bone headed things like getting a technical called when it could cost you a win for something senseless. |
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martin
Posts: 76032 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
2/20/2022 9:11 AM LAST EDITED: 2/20/2022 9:19 AM
One caveat to the bonuses: they are reevaluated every offseason and based off of previous season.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q74 There are three categories of allowable incentives: performance, academic/physical achievement, and extra promotional. The latter two categories are always included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or not likely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player had seven assists per game the previous season, then an incentive based on seven assists per game would be classified as likely to be achieved, but one based on eight assists per game would be classified as not likely. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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martin
Posts: 76032 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
2/20/2022 9:22 AM
I’ve been in the move Randle boat for a while, especially after seeing him play this year. It’s a shame, he put himself in this position.
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foosballnick
Posts: 21529 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/17/2010 Member: #3148 |
2/20/2022 10:15 AM
martin wrote:One caveat to the bonuses: they are reevaluated every offseason and based off of previous season.
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Nalod
Posts: 71086 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
2/20/2022 10:46 AM
Is there really no path for him to rehabilitate his attitude and perhaps refine his game some what or is “Trade” the easiest fix? We always assume change is going to be for the better? New coach? Briggs finds a dude from Colorado State (Roddy) who looks like a serial killer and he describes him with all these attributes that is actually Randle. Yes, maybe FO is not happy with Thibs. Does he get in line what they want or see? Or fire him to quell fans anger? Removing Leon, Thibs does not undo all these thngs. I do think a PG would help alot. RJ career is starting to give us clarity to what he is. |
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
2/20/2022 11:18 AM
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Randle: “Shut the **** up” ***** Randle has had what will soon be three season with this team Two of them sucked pure ass. He has the talent to be a fringe All Star. He just doesn't give a ****. In order for him to give a ****, he needs to be in a contract year, have a limited roster around him so he can do whatever he wants on offense, operate in an "empty gym" scenario during a world wide pandemic and apparently operate with zero accountability whatsoever. Do any of you want four more years of this stupid bull**** at 30 million a year while killing the Knicks cap situation and being a locker room nightmare? Do you want those young guys being drafted exposed to day after day of that zero leadership and toxicity? The conditions under which Randle thrived in 2020-21 don't exist anymore. This is going to be his 8th full season in the league. If he hasn't figured it out by now ( acting like a rational ****ing adult and having some basic personal work ethic and integrity towards one's obligations and duty to their commitments), then when is that going to happen? What did I say over a decade ago on this forum? 1) "Don't give out an engagement ring after just one good blowjob" 2) "Don't beg someone to stay and then beg them to do their ****ing job" Randle is mentally weak. The Knicks would rather face league penalty than risk Randle saying even more stupid **** to incite and drive away fans. If he has some kind of mental health issue, OK, then go into a facility for a month and get medication and get therapy and get some help and try to correct the problem. But unless that's going to happen, he has to own up to his behavior and his actions. |
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ramtour420
Posts: 26255 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 3/19/2007 Member: #1388 Russian Federation |
2/20/2022 12:12 PM
Like many have said, Randle is at his best as a finisher, a force of nature around the basket. Not the stupid " oh looksee, i am gonna jack a 3 pointer" ( even when it used to go in) nor is he at his best when the offense is ran through him. Give this man a PG to get him the rock so that he could play downhill towards the basket and he will be unstoppable again. Unfortunately we don't have that, nor do we have an offense that allows for assists
Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
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WOODMANnYk
Posts: 22417 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/30/2002 Member: #529 USA |
2/20/2022 1:49 PM
Randle is the only knicks player on the roster that draws a double or triple team. He is a hard cover with his 6'8 250 pd body frame that can steamroll through the court and the vision to find the open shooter. All he needs to do is show the fire,hustle, energy and will to win throughout the games. The players on the team tend to follow his lead by his actions on the court. Sometimes Randle looks disinterested and it seem to kill the good vibe on the floor. I think he's the only Knicks player in team history to be averaging over 20 pts, 10 reb and 5 asst for the yr. This year they've been a bit of regression but looks like he's becoming his old self again from last season.. You trade Randle, we'll be in serious trouble. Who's going to get the 10 reb per game and bully the opposing players from the oppostion.. Toppin is more a high flying dunkster with no 3 point game. Reddish isnt a PF. He's more a skilled 3. KEEP RANDLE FOR NOW!
The Future. GO KNICKS!
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27948 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
2/20/2022 5:32 PM LAST EDITED: 2/20/2022 5:49 PM
I am with TiTi. Trade Randle because he hurt fans feelings. Dump him for second picks so that TiTi can gain some affirmation for all those "Randle sucks" rants. It makes total sense to trade a recent Knicks MVP due to a couple of months of bad play and of course all the video proof of bad attitude TiTi has posted. Why would ANY team try to improve/work on their best player shortcomings or slumps? Especially one who was recently extended, took less than market and actually wants to be here. I mean everyone here knows we have so many of those top level guys that draw double teams waiting in line. And we can always make RJ and Obi be our first options. And if they don't work out I am sure TiTi will post a five page Sportstrac collage of why it's a good idea to trade them for second rounders. It makes total sense, trade our best player for scraps because whining fans like TiTi do not like how he told ******* drunk fans giving him the middle finger to **** off. Oh, and he slapped EF's hand away after blowing a huge lead to a team. Yeah, we want guys that hug each other and do not let silly losses affect their competitiveness.
TiTi is right. Let's rinse and repeat back to 2003 because Randle is an *******. He should be better than this. Just do not get why he is not able to play without a PG, play like a PG, average more than a double double and be eloquent with our illustrious press. I mean who can resist a honest conversation with Marc the blob Berman? Yep, the all the possible cap flexibility, ability to give Obi the stage to dunk and the future 2nd rounders is proof enough for me. Trade the one guy who got us to the playoffs in many years. It will make all of TiTi's research and we'll thought out responses worth while. Randle has many things to work on. Including his attitude. He needs a PG that can control the offensive flow. He needs to be put in his most productive role. (Not ball handling, not facilitating, not at the 3pt stripe) He is a beast down low. He averages close to a double double every year. He demands double teams. He can be a very good secondary piece to a playoff team. Getting rid of him for reasons TT described is just BS panties in a wad ****. As is getting rid of Thibs. A team needs years of continuity to become elite. Gone are the days that teams are built and developed. As is giving a set of players time to become part of a cohesive group. Which is not three months. How about we get a top level PG, make some adjustments and see how our yoots can fill some roles so that we can properly evaluate all our pieces? Including Randle. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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