He still sux.
After 5 games, he's had only one good game -- that is only one where he wasn't AWFUL. This guy makes WAY too much money.

Stats after 5:
MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
23.2 17-48 .354 2-9 .222 5-6 .833 2.60 .4 .20 .60 1.80 3.80 8.2

Analysis:
- Shooting: FG% .354. Worst on the team of anyone who's taken at least 3 shots per game.
- Driving to the hoop: He's taken 6 free throws, which I'll go out on a limb and say means he's been fouled a total of 3 times in 5 games. If you can't throw it in the ocean, take it to the rack!
- Rebounds: He's got as many RPG as Marbury. OK, Marbury has more minutes, but this guy is a 6-10" forward, Marbury a 6-2" PG! TT has 2 fewer RPG than Ariza, who has *fewer* minutes, and is much smaller physically than TT.
- Assists: 2. No, not two per game. 2, period, in 5 games. Isn't this guy supposed to be able to handle the ball? Even our power forwards get more assists. Trevor gets 2 per game.
- Steals: 1 in 5 games. Same as assists. Power forwards get more (and EVEN Nazr), Trevor has stolen 8 times.

Interestingly enough there is one statistic he is leading the team:
- Fouls: 19 PF and 3.8 per game lead the team. Bravo!

I wish they kept statistics on air balls, cause I'm sure he'd be leading the team in that one too.


All this for $13MM per year! What a bargain! What is this guy bringing to the table? His defense sucks, too.
I can understand the guy going into a shooting slump, but there is no reason he can't contribute in other ways! But he hasn't brought anything. NO INTENSITY!



BTW, just for comparison, here's what KVH is doing so far this year:
MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
37.5 28-65 .431 6-17 .353 14-16 .875 8.80 2.0 .25 .50 2.50 3.30 19.0


[Edited by - panos on 11/14/2004 10:26:10]

[Edited by - panos on 11/14/2004 10:27:47]

I guess his mind just hasn't been on the game to much. He has had a lot going on with his family.
But if this team is going to be successful, we're going to need some production from him.

Posted by gunsnewing:

5 out of 82

It's got to be better than that. Vs. the Clips he was 6 of 8.

Posted by MaTT4281:

Posted by gunsnewing:

5 out of 82

It's got to be better than that. Vs. the Clips he was 6 of 8.

Haha my bad. Didn't even cross my mind you meant games, thought that was his FGM-FGA.

lol if he had shot 5-82 during these 5 games then even I would be calling for a trade

Posted by gunsnewing:

how about all the 25pts+ games he had for us last year? you think he's going to continue averaging 8pts per game? he won't average 20 with the depth at that position but he will average around 14

When do you think he will start to give the Knicks a 25 point night. So your logic says that he can give a 25 point night now and then and get his average up to 14. If he has a 25 point night and then decides to give a 5 point night the next game his average is 15 points per game. Stats don't mean everything they can be deceptive. I would rather TT average 15 a night for 82 straight games. Thats consistency.

Posted by gunsnewing:

lol if he had shot 5-82 during these 5 games then even I would be calling for a trade

Geez man the dude doesn't rebound, or play defense too. He is the only player they can feature. Marbs and Craw take whatever shots they need. Timmy needs to drop a whole lot more than 14.....he needs to be doing 18. This is no shooting slump. I think this dude has choked knowing he is the feature guy. He is not aggressive enough.....

No heart. The game is more than just having a good shooting night. We need Houston to have good shooting nights.....Timmy needs to be a featured player.....He needs to do about 18pts 7 rebs and 3 assists.........

After 5 games Timmy's stats:

23 mins per
8.2 pts
.6 blks
.2 stls
.4 assists
2.6 rebounds

35% from the field and 22% from three.

Trade his bum arse.....trade him for anyone that can help.....absolutely just get rid of him. He is not a Knick.

Posted by DefAndReb:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by MaTT4281:

I guess his mind just hasn't been on the game to much. He has had a lot going on with his family.
But if this team is going to be successful, we're going to need some production from him.

I got stuff going on too.....thing is I have to feed my kids.

Are you sure you're not the real Spree?

LOL.

read what i said. I didn't say TT would average 20pts a game. I said he will average around 14pts with the depth we have at SF and occassionally have a 25-30 point game to help us win the game.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 11/14/2004 11:48:23]

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by gunsnewing:

how about all the 25pts+ games he had for us last year? you think he's going to continue averaging 8pts per game? he won't average 20 with the depth at that position but he will average around 14

When do you think he will start to give the Knicks a 25 point night. So your logic says that he can give a 25 point night now and then and get his average up to 14. If he has a 25 point night and then decides to give a 5 point night the next game his average is 15 points per game. Stats don't mean everything they can be deceptive. I would rather TT average 15 a night for 82 straight games. Thats consistency.

TT is a slow starter but there is no excuse for the inconsistency. I thought his play was the key to our success this year. I was hoping he would turn it up this year as a Knick but that has not happened so far. Its unfair to make trades after looking at the first 5 games. Lets see what he does 2 - 3 months from now. I know most people cant wait for that long, its just the way I like to look at things.

What does he need to motivate him? How about the start of the season.....after having the whole summer off to spend his 14 mil a year with his family and various other baby mama's he might have.

The way you look at things the Knicks will lose about 20 games just because Timmy doesn't wanna show up......

All I ask of him is to rebound, play defense and try to get others involved if you are in a supposed shooting slump.

About his family problems man......if my Moms were to die God forbid....my job would give me 3 days and I better be back to work.....and I have to do my job or other's peoples lives are at stake.

Fcuk Timmy......trade him please.

I think TT can turn his season around but if the media and fans keep forcing him to be traded he might never get out of this slump. Thats pressure! That is what happened to Shandon I believe. That is why we should give him at least 15 games not 5.