C Mitch F Randle F Barrett G Grimes G Brunson

This will be sold as getting back to the identity that worked last year. More of a gritty starting 5 with the offense built around Randle/Barrett/Brunson. Bench will be the youth movement spearheaded by the vet Drose. Thibs gets 1 more year to right the ship while the front office continues to preserve picks and flexibility outside of the Randle, Barrett and Brunson contracts to acquire a major star. Again, not saying any of this will happen, but I think it’s pretty obviously this is Leon’s plan.

And I think it's clear Leon has no plan.

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:LOL we are not getting Brunson and the vets are not magically going to become more attractive or increase their value cause it's summer. I think we are stuck with these vets until they become expiring contracts.

And I think it's clear Leon has no plan.

Strangely, that point will start this summer. BOOM

Just Burks and Noel (they would never trade Rose) but you're still not getting much in return. You can find vets at half price who give you what those two do. And you're not even gonna get a 2nd for Kemba. I'm talking more about being stuck with Randle and Fournier. Either way, the future looks bleak.

SergioNYK wrote:LOL we are not getting Brunson and the vets are not magically going to become more attractive or increase their value cause it's summer. I think we are stuck with these vets until they become expiring contracts.

And I think it's clear Leon has no plan.

No plan at all

who goes into negotiation trying to trade their unwanted player without offering something extra for doing so.

They didn't want to add no salary, didn't want to trade no 1st rnd picks or their half ass young players that have major holes in their game.

Great work

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:LOL we are not getting Brunson and the vets are not magically going to become more attractive or increase their value cause it's summer. I think we are stuck with these vets until they become expiring contracts.

And I think it's clear Leon has no plan.

Strangely, that point will start this summer. BOOM

Just Burks and Noel (they would never gonna trade Rose) but you're still not getting much in return. You can find vets at half price who give you what those two do. And you're not even gonna get a 2nd for Kemba. I'm talking more about being stuck with Randle and Fournier. Either way, the future looks bleak.

Only because you CHOOSE to look for bleak. I ain't saying that everything will be rosey but come on.

Witness just last year.

I don't know how some of you get through life but you deteriorate your own selves with the constant predetermined pessimism. I ain't naive to the realistic paths ahead but I'm also not punching myself in the nutsack and wondering why it hurts.

+1. Well put.

knicks1248 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:LOL we are not getting Brunson and the vets are not magically going to become more attractive or increase their value cause it's summer. I think we are stuck with these vets until they become expiring contracts.

And I think it's clear Leon has no plan.

No plan at all

who goes into negotiation trying to trade their unwanted player without offering something extra for doing so.

They didn't want to add no salary, didn't want to trade no 1st rnd picks or their half ass young players that have major holes in their game.

Great work

You really think your statement above that Leon has no plan is likely true because a deal wasn't done today?

We have no idea what was offered and what was passed on (if any).

It's fine to be disappointed (comes with the territory being a Knicks fan) but everything you've stated above is unproven and just opinions without and suggestive evidence and/or perception based on anything besides emotions...

Knixkik wrote:

Sambakick wrote:It might just be me but i really don't feel like the Knicks have any truly bad contracts. Even Evan and Julius just don't feel like the albatrosses the team used to regularly have on the roster. Also, I'm happy that we did not trade for Russ.

Contracts aren’t bad. Fournier is doing what he’s paid to do. He’s overpaid but not like Duncan Robinson or Bertans and those types of guys recently signed. Randle is expensive but his issues are magnified in NY. He can easily get some of his magic back from last year. At least split the difference between last year and this year. Ups and downs are part of the game.

Why you think they couldn't trade Burks, EF or kemba if the contract were so friendly

I actually like Fournier

SupremeCommander wrote:Inactive? What do you mean? We gave away a pick, to get a worse pick, and then we gave that pick away for someone we won't play

We were plenty active, just ran out of brain dead ideas

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:LOL we are not getting Brunson and the vets are not magically going to become more attractive or increase their value cause it's summer. I think we are stuck with these vets until they become expiring contracts.

And I think it's clear Leon has no plan.

Strangely, that point will start this summer. BOOM

Just Burks and Noel (they would never gonna trade Rose) but you're still not getting much in return. You can find vets at half price who give you what those two do. And you're not even gonna get a 2nd for Kemba. I'm talking more about being stuck with Randle and Fournier. Either way, the future looks bleak.

Only because you CHOOSE to look for bleak. I ain't saying that everything will be rosey but come on.

Witness just last year.

I don't know how some of you get through life but you deteriorate your own selves with the constant predetermined pessimism. I ain't naive to the realistic paths ahead but I'm also not punching myself in the nutsack and wondering why it hurts.

My Kool Aid is a bit warm like its been sitting in the sun too long right now. Not saying I don't try and sip it every now and then, but man, I wish it was a bit cooler. Thibs doesn't seem inclined to make changes to the rotation, so we are kind of stuck with what we have -- which so far isn't working. We have no answer to a 2/3 zone and we have no ability to stay in front of Point Guards. And we are not making changes to address these items. We have no offensive set - we look like the broken triangle of the Jackson era and players have wide latitude to shoot fadeaway 18 footers. Its just not good basketball. Its not fun to watch.

Sell me a few ice cubes for my Kool Aid and I'll buy, but the Knicks are leaving me thirsty.