22nd: Pelicans: 22-32.
23rd: Portland: 21-33.
24th: Spurs: 20-34.
25th: Kings: 20-35.
26th: Pacers: 19-37.
27th: Thunder: 17-36.
28th: Rockets: 15-39.
29th: Detroit: 12-42.
30th: Orlando: 12-43.

First and foremost I'm not asking for our team to "tank".

But at 24-31 overall?
7 games below .500?
4 game losing streak?
2-10 previous 12 games (.166%)?

Wanting to tank or not wanting to tank isn't the question.

The question now becomes how many of these teams will end up passing us in the standings before the lottery draft takes place?

Because with the NBAs #1 toughest Strength of Schedule ahead of us combined with NY playing some of it's worst basketball of All-Time (as of late) I can easily picture every team outside of only Orlando/Detroit/Houston passing us.

PS: This isn't a "tank" thread it's a 'reality' thread because man oh man has Kemba Walker and Evan Fournier been awesome additions to our Defensive Backcourt 🤭🤢🤮🤭

NYKMentality wrote:21st: Knicks (24-31).

22nd: Pelicans: 22-32.
23rd: Portland: 21-33.
24th: Spurs: 20-34.
25th: Kings: 20-35.
26th: Pacers: 19-37.
27th: Thunder: 17-36.
28th: Rockets: 15-39.
29th: Detroit: 12-42.
30th: Orlando: 12-43.

First and foremost I'm not asking for our team to "tank".

But at 24-31 overall?
7 games below .500?
4 game losing streak?
2-10 previous 12 games (.166%)?

Wanting to tank or not wanting to tank isn't the question.

The question now becomes how many of these teams will end up passing us in the standings before the lottery draft takes place?

Because with the NBAs #1 toughest Strength of Schedule ahead of us combined with NY playing some of it's worst basketball of All-Time (as of late) I can easily picture every team outside of only Orlando/Detroit/Houston passing us.

PS: This isn't a "tank" thread it's a 'reality' thread because man oh man has Kemba Walker and Evan Fournier been awesome additions to our Defensive Backcourt 🤭🤢🤮🤭

Pelicans and the kings are going to do their best to try… we’ll likely be within the top 10. It would be great if they could move up and grab another PF (lol) like Banchero or Jabari… even better Ivey. I think the lottery is rigged but who knows the Knicks have crossed their T’s and dotted their I’s the league might bless them.

If not TyTy Washington or Dyson Daniels would be my bet as the picks and if the Knicks are smart (always a big IF) they might want to trade that Denver pick now for maybe a late lottery or out of lottery pick. Get talent now instead of risking the Mavs getting their stuff together and being a good team next year.

Bottom line, we're in the worst position you can be. Not good enough for a high draft pick, not good enough for a winnable playoff spot.

franco12 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Unless Leon Rose makes some trades, I fully expect nothing to change in terms of lineups and rotation until we are mathematically eliminated from the play-in. I bet they look at the play-in as an accomplishment and a must since it means a fake 'playoff game' at the Garden. Sadly I don't see Atlanta or Charlotte running away with it so we might be still in 'it' until late March/early April. Washington also lost Beal for the season so they'll probably continue to lose games.

Bottom line, we're in the worst position you can be. Not good enough for a high draft pick, not good enough for a winnable playoff spot.

if we are 10th, the game is on the road at 9's home court.

I know but if the 10th seed wins that first game on the road against the 7th seed, the second game is at home. Or is it just one game sudden death?

franco12 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

franco12 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Unless Leon Rose makes some trades, I fully expect nothing to change in terms of lineups and rotation until we are mathematically eliminated from the play-in. I bet they look at the play-in as an accomplishment and a must since it means a fake 'playoff game' at the Garden. Sadly I don't see Atlanta or Charlotte running away with it so we might be still in 'it' until late March/early April. Washington also lost Beal for the season so they'll probably continue to lose games.

Bottom line, we're in the worst position you can be. Not good enough for a high draft pick, not good enough for a winnable playoff spot.

if we are 10th, the game is on the road at 9's home court.

I know but if the 10th seed wins that first game on the road against the 7th seed, the second game is at home. Or is it just one game sudden death?

Those play in games are win or go home.

7 & 8 - winner is in

Loser plays winner of 9 & 10. That winner get's swept in the first round by the top seed.

But your point is still relevant - the FO & team just cares about the play offs. Even if it's 1 & done as the 10th seed, they'll spin things as a success.

franco12 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

franco12 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Unless Leon Rose makes some trades, I fully expect nothing to change in terms of lineups and rotation until we are mathematically eliminated from the play-in. I bet they look at the play-in as an accomplishment and a must since it means a fake 'playoff game' at the Garden. Sadly I don't see Atlanta or Charlotte running away with it so we might be still in 'it' until late March/early April. Washington also lost Beal for the season so they'll probably continue to lose games.

Bottom line, we're in the worst position you can be. Not good enough for a high draft pick, not good enough for a winnable playoff spot.

if we are 10th, the game is on the road at 9's home court.

I know but if the 10th seed wins that first game on the road against the 7th seed, the second game is at home. Or is it just one game sudden death?

Those play in games are win or go home.

7 & 8 - winner is in

Loser plays winner of 9 & 10. That winner get's swept in the first round by the top seed.

But your point is still relevant - the FO & team just cares about the play offs. Even if it's 1 & done as the 10th seed, they'll spin things as a success.

What difference does make, you will never get a veteran coach to tank, and the NBA is doing everything to avoid tanking.

You have to show players around the NBA that your focus is all about winning.

2 yrs ago the suns had that run and won their last 7 in a row, won a couple of play in games, and the next season CP3 requested to be traded there.

You guys always thinking about the draft like IQ, GRIMES, MCBRIDE, SIMS, OB1 are blossoming under this regime.

Philc1 wrote:So is 60 wins still realistic?

Sure. Over how many years?

NYKMentality wrote:

Philc1 wrote:So is 60 wins still realistic?

How's your 40-45 win prediction going? 🤭😆🤭

About as well as Zach Wilson’s career

Philc1 wrote:Game and a half out of the 10th seed. It ain’t over til the fat lady sings.

Do some of you really want the 10th seed? It seems like such a pointless accomplishment. Wouldn't it be better to increase our draft odds as much as possible?

SergioNYK wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Game and a half out of the 10th seed. It ain’t over til the fat lady sings.

Do some of you really want the 10th seed? It seems like such a pointless accomplishment. Wouldn't it be better to increase our draft odds as much as possible?

Wouldn't it be better to try and win a raise the value of certain players that need to be move in a trade?

Wouldn't it be better to to get on a roll and have these young players play for something, build there confidence?

We can barely play our young players now, do you think adding two more will make us better, then go through another yr screaming PLAY THE KIDS..

Look at the standings, you think the BULLS/CAVS/BUCKS/HEAT are unbeatable..LOL..These are not Dynasty teams

Give me a break with this tanking for a lottery picks that won't play anytime soon....

franco12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Game and a half out of the 10th seed. It ain’t over til the fat lady sings.

Do some of you really want the 10th seed? It seems like such a pointless accomplishment. Wouldn't it be better to increase our draft odds as much as possible?

Wouldn't it be better to try and win a raise the value of certain players that need to be move in a trade?

Wouldn't it be better to to get on a roll and have these young players play for something, build there confidence?

We can barely play our young players now, do you think adding two more will make us better, then go through another yr screaming PLAY THE KIDS..

Look at the standings, you think the BULLS/CAVS/BUCKS/HEAT are unbeatable..LOL..These are not Dynasty teams

Give me a break with this tanking for a lottery picks that won't play anytime soon....

The biggest argument against tanking is this FO has drafted really well.

The biggest argument for tanking is we're still missing that franchise talent that can dominate. We got some Robins and Robin lites, no batman.

I'm pulling for coming up just short, and then winning the lottery and moving into a top 1-4 position and finding a difference maker, preferably a PG.

We don't have any Rising Stars on the 2022 roster

We did not draft really well....

Drafted IQ over Desmon Bane and Payton Pritched

Drafted OBI over Haliburton and Cole anthony

Mcbride can't even crack the rotation, Sims is a project

We have been avg at best in FA and Drafting....and the worse part is that we still need a pg despite having a major cap space and and 3 1st round picks, and 1 was a lottery pick.

No we have done nothing really well, we just haven't done nothing really bad either