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What' Wrong with the 2021/22 Knickerbockers ?
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DJMUSIC
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2/2/2022  9:06 PM

Haven't been here in awhile
What happened to this team ? What are some of the problems of Winning Basketball games at MSG home court
There is NO home court advantage at the Garden for our Knicks.

Is anything fixable? from Knick mgt., coaches, Knick draft scouts roster talent needs
Is coaching ? a problem here Tom Thibs. or assistant coaches.

OR is this strictly a roster issue without talents at skilled positions to be more competitive

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Philc1
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2/2/2022  10:23 PM
Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year
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2/2/2022  10:58 PM
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

That's actually a good summary

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2/3/2022  4:30 AM
Also chemistry issues- basically the crux of it is:

Kemba and Fournier are one faction, they don't like Thibs and either don't like/ have no chemistry with Randle

Thibs doesn't like Kemba or Fournier

Randle doesn't like Fournier and has zero chemistry with Kemba, and doesn't seem to like Thibs anymore either.

Last season Bullock and Pinson were huge chemistry guys and probably really helped keep Randle mentally on track.

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2/3/2022  6:58 AM
Downgrades in defense, hustle, and mental toughness. Arthritis. Bone spurs. Overthinking. Injuries.
Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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2/3/2022  7:02 AM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

That's actually a good summary


Team also got extremely lucky with injuries and Covid related absences last year.
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2/3/2022  7:09 AM
Oh, and I forgot… Wally’s **** of doom.
Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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2/3/2022  8:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2022  8:47 AM
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

I agree with this

I also agree with BigDaddyG

I think the most important factor though is our best player’s attitude went from ideal to ****. I have tried to read this again but I can’t make it very far. Reputation is not all that funny - just do what your supposed to for long enough and then you got a great reputation. It’s pretty simple imho

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2/3/2022  8:55 AM

EF had a nice game last night. Is it possible he is incrementally improving with this team and yet becuase we are not 4th seed we want him gone? I suppose most think if Bullock was here we’d be fine? Same rings true for Elf? No clear answer at all. Its rhetorical.

Whats wrong? Kemba ruined our season. Good idea but did not execute. EF turned the corner. Drose injury hurt. He was our “closer”. Game vs. grizz we saw IQ shoot our way close with 7 min left, then he starts missing and turning it over. This is where the boys vs Men come out. Im not blaming IQ. Its just what happened. Burks was not getting it done. If we need to go to the 4th string McBride for hindsight have at it.

Whats wrong? Seemingly we can’t get everyone to play well in synch. As for vs. the Grizz, They are a fine team right now playing damn good ball. We got beat, we did not lose.

Knicks did not play all that bad. They gave a lead then hung. Could not crawl back.

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2/3/2022  9:06 AM
It's all the fan's fault. Fickleness and the never-ending whining trade demands are dragging the team down.
Plus, Oak came out with a book. That just has to be a harbinger of doom.


Quickly and then EF cut the lead in half in the 4th quarter by themselves. Then Quick went cold. We have the tools in the shed. Mitch gets a nice block on Breaker Morant, which leaves Lerch from The Adams Family to get his 57th offensive rebound of the game which leads to an assist. Ja goes 0-6 from 3.

I do not envy Thibs job.

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2/3/2022  10:17 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

I agree with this

I also agree with BigDaddyG

I think the most important factor though is our best player’s attitude went from ideal to ****. I have tried to read this again but I can’t make it very far. Reputation is not all that funny - just do what your supposed to for long enough and then you got a great reputation. It’s pretty simple imho

The Randle contract is a killer. We have to live with this guy another 3 years after this season. Only way out is maybe stretch provision since we are finally getting out from underneath Noah’s contract this offseason

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2/3/2022  11:30 AM
In many ways last season's fluke run was the worst thing that could have happened. It gave us false hope, which is one of the worst things that can happen to a fan.
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2/3/2022  11:40 AM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

That's actually a good summary

That and we also flipped Bullock to Fournier. Bullock was a really good 3 and D player and we replaced him with a player who has the ability to put up points but defense is suspect at best. Randle also regressing.

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2/3/2022  11:51 AM
Philc1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

I agree with this

I also agree with BigDaddyG

I think the most important factor though is our best player’s attitude went from ideal to ****. I have tried to read this again but I can’t make it very far. Reputation is not all that funny - just do what your supposed to for long enough and then you got a great reputation. It’s pretty simple imho

The Randle contract is a killer. We have to live with this guy another 3 years after this season. Only way out is maybe stretch provision since we are finally getting out from underneath Noah’s contract this offseason

4 mores years at an average of 29,250,000 per year

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2/3/2022  12:31 PM
Thibodeau is exactly who we thought he was.

Randle is exactly what we thought he was.

Kemba is exactly what we thought he was.

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2/3/2022  12:40 PM
Rookie wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

I agree with this

I also agree with BigDaddyG

I think the most important factor though is our best player’s attitude went from ideal to ****. I have tried to read this again but I can’t make it very far. Reputation is not all that funny - just do what your supposed to for long enough and then you got a great reputation. It’s pretty simple imho

The Randle contract is a killer. We have to live with this guy another 3 years after this season. Only way out is maybe stretch provision since we are finally getting out from underneath Noah’s contract this offseason

4 mores years at an average of 29,250,000 per year

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/julius-randle-15359/

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2/3/2022  12:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2022  12:44 PM
Philc1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

I agree with this

I also agree with BigDaddyG

I think the most important factor though is our best player’s attitude went from ideal to ****. I have tried to read this again but I can’t make it very far. Reputation is not all that funny - just do what your supposed to for long enough and then you got a great reputation. It’s pretty simple imho

The Randle contract is a killer. We have to live with this guy another 3 years after this season. Only way out is maybe stretch provision since we are finally getting out from underneath Noah’s contract this offseason

Wow! Thats a long post for you. 3 sentences!
And your only way out for randle is a stretch? Does he have to be last years randle for that contract? Cuz that version.

Really, stop parroting and read this:https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/julius-randle-15359/
I promise, should take more than 3 minutes.

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2/10/2022  12:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  12:40 AM
Thia $contract thing in sports, its funny but accurate its mention. Agreed Overpaid.

Why ? when a player attains stardom such as Randle and gets the Big payday megabucks$ they sign and afterwards they almost
NEVER EVER play up to the $contract.

You've got that with Randle and Fournier both cant wait to get out of NY.
True stars or superstars if they love the game in pro sports they will play for the contract to WIN championships or contend period!

New York sadly has become a landing for failures from past days of Amare Stoudamire, Antonio McDyess.
Early KNICKS Dave Debusschere , Larry Johnson , Sprewell and Earl Monroe before few played in championships.

THE thrist for NBA titles Dies in NewYork, since owner J.Dolan tried everything but we can't obtain OUR OWN Devin Booker,Our own Kawhi
or Lebron (earlier age), or Greek Freek, OR Kevin Durant and ON & On.

Maybe if MLB NY Mets new Owner Steven A. Cohen was a NBA Basketball fan he buy KNICKs from JJ Dolan
We'd have a chance. Every NBA got a Killer star for past 1-4 decades.

Steph Curry
K.Leonard
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
and on and so forth. Reckon Only sole Knick to make list say in past 50+ years ? Or course is Willis Reed (twice) 1970 and also 1973
We have no hope right now ? correct unless James Dolan sells the Knickerbcckers is the game changer.

Philc1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

I agree with this

I also agree with BigDaddyG

I think the most important factor though is our best player’s attitude went from ideal to ****. I have tried to read this again but I can’t make it very far. Reputation is not all that funny - just do what your supposed to for long enough and then you got a great reputation. It’s pretty simple imho

The Randle contract is a killer. We have to live with this guy another 3 years after this season. Only way out is maybe stretch provision since we are finally getting out from underneath Noah’s contract this offseason

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2/10/2022  10:03 AM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

I agree with this

I also agree with BigDaddyG

I think the most important factor though is our best player’s attitude went from ideal to ****. I have tried to read this again but I can’t make it very far. Reputation is not all that funny - just do what your supposed to for long enough and then you got a great reputation. It’s pretty simple imho

The Randle contract is a killer. We have to live with this guy another 3 years after this season. Only way out is maybe stretch provision since we are finally getting out from underneath Noah’s contract this offseason

Wow! Thats a long post for you. 3 sentences!
And your only way out for randle is a stretch? Does he have to be last years randle for that contract? Cuz that version.

Really, stop parroting and read this:https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/julius-randle-15359/
I promise, should take more than 3 minutes.

Elf sucks. You’re embarrassing yourself now

Philc1
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2/10/2022  10:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  10:09 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:Thia $contract thing in sports, its funny but accurate its mention. Agreed Overpaid.

Why ? when a player attains stardom such as Randle and gets the Big payday megabucks$ they sign and afterwards they almost
NEVER EVER play up to the $contract.

You've got that with Randle and Fournier both cant wait to get out of NY.
True stars or superstars if they love the game in pro sports they will play for the contract to WIN championships or contend period!

New York sadly has become a landing for failures from past days of Amare Stoudamire, Antonio McDyess.
Early KNICKS Dave Debusschere , Larry Johnson , Sprewell and Earl Monroe before few played in championships.

THE thrist for NBA titles Dies in NewYork, since owner J.Dolan tried everything but we can't obtain OUR OWN Devin Booker,Our own Kawhi
or Lebron (earlier age), or Greek Freek, OR Kevin Durant and ON & On.

Maybe if MLB NY Mets new Owner Steven A. Cohen was a NBA Basketball fan he buy KNICKs from JJ Dolan
We'd have a chance. Every NBA got a Killer star for past 1-4 decades.

Steph Curry
K.Leonard
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
and on and so forth. Reckon Only sole Knick to make list say in past 50+ years ? Or course is Willis Reed (twice) 1970 and also 1973
We have no hope right now ? correct unless James Dolan sells the Knickerbcckers is the game changer.

Philc1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Nothing. Team overachieved last season in a wierd year

I agree with this

I also agree with BigDaddyG

I think the most important factor though is our best player’s attitude went from ideal to ****. I have tried to read this again but I can’t make it very far. Reputation is not all that funny - just do what your supposed to for long enough and then you got a great reputation. It’s pretty simple imho

The Randle contract is a killer. We have to live with this guy another 3 years after this season. Only way out is maybe stretch provision since we are finally getting out from underneath Noah’s contract this offseason

Dolan is never selling the Knicks. Knicks/Rangers is intertwined with the company he’s CEO of MSG Entertainment. To put it simply the Knicks aren’t an entity on their own unlike most sports franchises


Anytime I’ve heard these chants of “sell the team” over the years I was like “it’s a little bit more complicated than that.” The Knicks ownership situation is more complex than most ownership situations. The reason Pat Riley left in 1995 was he wanted a percentage of MSG Entertainment and Dolan balked at it so he went to Miami and got a percentage of the Heat(10% at the time)


Dolan has been more hands off last couple years. The best hope is he continues this approach and let’s Perry and Rose do their jobs

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