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martin wrote:Can someone post the details? I don't have Insider

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Can’t post the whole thing for some reason but here’s the relevant part

The Mavs now have to ask themselves: Is this team really good enough? Brunson and Dorian Finney-Smith will be unrestricted free agents, with big raises coming. The Brunson flight risk is real, sources say. The Mavs have no cap space to replace them.

Pay them, and the Mavs risk locking themselves into a roster that is really good but perhaps not good enough to contend over Doncic's early prime

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Clean wrote:I would not give up a lot for half a season of a player. People think it's a lock to come back but what if he hates Thibs system? or the the team dynamic? What if some other team pulls out the money bags during free agency? Too many questions to OK a trade that will drain you of assets and potentially be left with nothing in half a season. We already sent out a pick for Cam that might turn out to be wasted if Cam does not work out for us.

It’s assumed he would come back. Based on his relationship with the front office there would be a deal in place. This isn’t a random player.

But Clean is right though from a negotiation standpoint. Every team in the league will tell Dallas he is an UFA and here is a top 18 protected pick and a low level player.

And Knicks will not negotiate against themselves and should only offer just a tiny tiny bit (if that) above every other team in the league.

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Knicks 'Touched Base' with Mavs; Mystery Suitor Preparing Major Offer for Brunson?
It's no secret the New York Knicks are eyeing Dallas Mavericks guard Jalen Brunson ahead of free agency. There's apparently a mystery team to keep close tabs on for a massive offer.
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It may be a long time until the next NBA free agency period opens up, but the Dallas Mavericks, as all teams around the league do, have to already be planning ahead with how they manage certain parts of their roster.

Two members of the Mavericks' current regular starting lineup, Jalen Brunson and Dorian Finney-Smith, are set to be unrestricted free agents in the offseason. Both players have seemingly played their way into big raises.

Two NBA insiders, Bleacher Report's Jake Fischer and SNY's Ian Begley, appeared on a live audio room on the Halftime app to discuss the latest trade talk around the league.

When asked about Jalen Brunson's pending free agency and potential trade market, Begley stated the Knicks 'have at least touched base' with the Mavericks about Brunson.

Begley also mentioned there's at least one more team willing to make him an offer 'north of $20 million' in free agency.

"Jalen Brunson, for many different reasons, has been on the Knick radar for a while now. He's got plenty of connections to the Knicks. So I know the Knicks, at the very least, have touched based with Dallas on Brunson and I can't tell you what it would take to pry Brunson from Dallas from a Knick perspective. I'm not sure on that.

But I do know he's a highly sought after player and if he does hit unrestricted free agency, I can say pretty confidently there's at least one other team prepared to give him an offer north of $20 million per year. So it's an interesting situation with Dallas. Is Dallas prepared to pay him that kind of money? How do they see that salary fitting in with the rest of the money they will owe the rest of the players on the roster including obviously Luka Doncic?"

Begley did make note that he isn't sure how willing the Mavericks would actually be to move Brunson at the trade deadline in order to essentially get ahead of possibly losing a member of their starting backcourt in free agency.

"I don't know about Dallas' willingness to get off of Brunson at the moment. But if I'm hearing there will be significant suitors for Brunson in free agency, I'm sure they know that that too. So you have to weigh the idea of potentially losing him for nothing versus dealing him at the deadline and at least getting an asset back."

If the Mavericks were to engage the Knicks about a potential trade involving Brunson. It would make a lot of sense for Dallas to focus on getting back the 2023 first-round pick they owe New York as a centerpiece of any potential return.

Right now, the Mavericks are very limited on what type of trade offers they can make for impact players since they have protections that could convey all the way through 2025 attached to that 2023 first-round pick. Getting that pick back completely re-opens their options in that regard.

There's been speculation from some national experts about the long-term viability of a Brunson-Doncic backcourt when considering neither are necessarily three-point aces and Brunson being undersized could make him a target in the playoffs when teams emphasize drawing switches.

I think the Pacers are the mystery team, and TBH they have more than what we can offer unless we are willing to depart with IQ or Grimes

martin wrote:This is so much fun to watch

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Is he pushing off on some of those or just breaking people?

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martin wrote:This is so much fun to watch

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Is he pushing off on some of those or just breaking people?

Talent level wise, is he at a higher, lower or equal level to prime Raymond Felton (Genuine question)

Prime Felton with everyone from that 50+ win team or the next year fat version who is playing around with loaded guns?

martin wrote:This is so much fun to watch

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Yes it would. And imagine how his ability to get into the teeth of the defense opens some new spaces for Randle and Barrett. He’s a career 50% shooter. Incredible efficiency. While he’s small defensively, he will at least be better than Kemba.

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martin wrote:This is so much fun to watch

The question for me is if it is worth giving up assets to get him for a half-season with no guarantee he stays? That seems to be what some would do for a superstar. Is he? And are we prepared to pay $20M a year? The talk is that he is not considered to "be enough" by Dallas. And that is having one of the best players in the league. So how will he change things here? He has had some very good games but many where he did not make much of a difference. After shooting an impressive 40% from three his numbers are down this year to 33%. May be why Mavs are leaning towards trading him. I Still think he is a very skilled player and maybe a long-term PG solution, if he continues to progress. He may also be one of those players that can do a lot more if not under the shadow of a superstar. I would still lean towards waiting for summer. That way assets are not given up. Paying a kid $20M for 4 years AND giving up several assets to do so seems a bit risky if he does not pan out.

I'd say you hit the nail on the head regarding most teams. Most will look at the risk of Jalen jetting after a half season (to the Knicks some how). What's the most a team will offer? Cam is a lesser player and Atlanta got a protected top 18 pick without being an UFA, maybe he has better ceiling but he is nowhere near filling it. Team would have to be in the perfect situation to trade for Jalen and do enough throughout the rest of the year to convince him to stay. If say PHO had the wherewithal to trade for him, maybe he resigns cause he loves the opportunity to play behind CP3 for a year or so on a championship quality team.

The Knicks just have to call up his dad to check in with what HE thinks Jalen wants for a contract and then they will know, I don't think other teams have that luxury in being able to rely on that info. If Jalen really wants to come to NY, he can just start saying out loud that he wants $25M per while telling his dad to let the Knicks know he'd be good with $20M or whatever. Knicks will have their risk profile.

This is the first year Jalen has started, so I am not surprised his numbers dipped. But he is also playing with a ball dominant PG in Doncic so maybe there is some room left for his numbers to grow too cause that's just a weird combo of players to have on court at same time? I don't know.

What would Dallas want? I'd want IQ, he fits better than Jalen next to Doncic?

I don't think Knicks would give up IQ or Grimes.

I'd guess Dallas would counter with McBride plus their 2023 pick. They'd prefer Rokas to McBride? Maybe but I don't see the Knicks giving him up either.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:This is so much fun to watch

The question for me is if it is worth giving up assets to get him for a half-season with no guarantee he stays? That seems to be what some would do for a superstar. Is he? And are we prepared to pay $20M a year? The talk is that he is not considered to "be enough" by Dallas. And that is having one of the best players in the league. So how will he change things here? He has had some very good games but many where he did not make much of a difference. After shooting an impressive 40% from three his numbers are down this year to 33%. May be why Mavs are leaning towards trading him. I Still think he is a very skilled player and maybe a long-term PG solution, if he continues to progress. He may also be one of those players that can do a lot more if not under the shadow of a superstar. I would still lean towards waiting for summer. That way assets are not given up. Paying a kid $20M for 4 years AND giving up several assets to do so seems a bit risky if he does not pan out.

I'd say you hit the nail on the head regarding most teams. Most will look at the risk of Jalen jetting after a half season (to the Knicks some how). What's the most a team will offer? Cam is a lesser player and Atlanta got a protected top 18 pick without being an UFA, maybe he has better ceiling but he is nowhere near filling it. Team would have to be in the perfect situation to trade for Jalen and do enough throughout the rest of the year to convince him to stay. If say PHO had the wherewithal to trade for him, maybe he resigns cause he loves the opportunity to play behind CP3 for a year or so on a championship quality team.

The Knicks just have to call up his dad to check in with what HE thinks Jalen wants for a contract and then they will know, I don't think other teams have that luxury in being able to rely on that info. If Jalen really wants to come to NY, he can just start saying out loud that he wants $25M per while telling his dad to let the Knicks know he'd be good with $20M or whatever. Knicks will have their risk profile.

This is the first year Jalen has started, so I am not surprised his numbers dipped. But he is also playing with a ball dominant PG in Doncic so maybe there is some room left for his numbers to grow too cause that's just a weird combo of players to have on court at same time? I don't know.

What would Dallas want? I'd want IQ, he fits better than Jalen next to Doncic?

I don't think Knicks would give up IQ or Grimes.

I'd guess Dallas would counter with McBride plus their 2023 pick. They'd prefer Rokas to McBride? Maybe but I don't see the Knicks giving him up either.

Part of that espn article explains how great the fit has been between Doncic and Brunson. In a lot of ways I think some of their success can be repeatable with Randle. We can only hope. I think he’s that well-balanced PG who has impact with and without the ball. I’m not sure we see a VanVleet jump in his production but I think there’s more upside away from Doncic, who is the highest usage player in the league.