Jimbo5 wrote:I think this team has a talented young core. This core is better than the team 5 years ago. The front office got cute and tried to fix the team's biggest weaknesses. Offensive versatility and the starting point guard spot. On both they swung big and missed terribly. With these 2 moves the FO sacrificed the team's defense and chemistry. If only they opted for Lonzo ball, he could have fixed alot of things this team needs. And his previous good relationship with Randle might even help with Randle's attitude this year.

The knicks still have a ton of draft picks and a good solid core. If this team continues to tank maybe the basketball Gods will reward the suffering knicks fans with a top 5 lottery pick in the coming draft.

I don't disagree with what you are saying but I have a different take.

PG problems still exist for the Knicks. As fans our expectation is to fix that problem in 1 offseason while pointing to a possible scenario that could have taken place. Lonzo was a RFA and HE had to choose and agree to come to the Knicks and the Knicks had to meet what the Pelicans were demanding in return for a S&T. I don't think Lonzo wanted NY; why would he would his Dad's silliness and all that came with it in the NYC media market? At the same time the Knicks didn't have the outgoing salaries and players to match what Pelicans wanted.

From a PG or guards perspective, the Knicks have built a solid pipeline of prospects: IQ, Grimes, McBride, Rokas. I'd guess that they just haven't shown up fast enough for fans that wanted the PG problem solved last offseason. Rome ain't built in a day and welcome to player development. Give or take, the Knicks have identified that they want POA defenders who match their coach's defensive intensity and offensive skill set IMHO.

We all knew the downside risk of Kemba's knees. I'd guess that at his price most of us would have agreed he was a good enough risk to take the opportunity to sign him.

The Knicks missed so bad this offseason it almost doesn’t make sense.

We don’t have real prospects at the PG spot. IQ is an off guard whose passing is improving, McBridge is a Marcus Smart light and the other guys aren’t nba players.

Sambakick wrote:

wargames wrote:This time is worst because fans have contributed to the situation getting toxic. Randle sucks, but the way the fans and the media was like GTFO when he began to struggle only made the situation worse.

I mean you're not wrong but what is the remedy/alternative. Go back to no fans?

Maybe forgive Randle if he stops sucking… Big IF but I definitely feel like half his bad play is him having a tantrum on the court. Also still a little early in the Thibs cycle but if a more well rounded coach becomes available. Grab them, sort of like the warriors did dumping Mark Jackson for Kerr.

arkrud wrote:

wargames wrote:This time is worst because fans have contributed to the situation getting toxic. Randle sucks, but the way the fans and the media was like GTFO when he began to struggle only made the situation worse.

Real NBA star player is not the one who has superior skills (many have) but the one who mentally fit in this role. And Randle clearly not even close.
Even RJ at his age and experience 100 times more a potential NBA star that Randle.
On top of this Randle basketball IQ is less that average.
We have only one player who represent what NBA star have to be, DRose, and he is on the tail end of his carrier.
So we still need this person to materialize as a Knick to seriously compete.
And we need at least a couple to contend.
For now we just at the beginning of being ready for this to come along.
Knicks were never ready for last 50 years even when the opportunity to get a couple of stars materialized.
We should be patient this time around.

We need a PG. It’s absurd how long they go without a guy who can play PG at a NBA level.

Knixkik wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I think this team has a talented young core. This core is better than the team 5 years ago. The front office got cute and tried to fix the team's biggest weaknesses. Offensive versatility and the starting point guard spot. On both they swung big and missed terribly. With these 2 moves the FO sacrificed the team's defense and chemistry. If only they opted for Lonzo ball, he could have fixed alot of things this team needs. And his previous good relationship with Randle might even help with Randle's attitude this year.

The knicks still have a ton of draft picks and a good solid core. If this team continues to tank maybe the basketball Gods will reward the suffering knicks fans with a top 5 lottery pick in the coming draft.

Are we sure they swung and missed with Fournier ? He’s been pretty much what was expected. He has some duds and then has some game changing performances. Consistency is the issue, but he’s rounding out into pretty much what we paid for. The issue continues to be PG is an epic failure with Kemba being beyond done and drose not around to make up the different. Randle is back to being just good instead of great, and we have had some bad luck whereas last season was the opposite in the luck category.

Luck can be in one game.. in close game.
Knicks are not good and this is not about luck.
This about expectations far exceeding the reality... but this is how it always goes in NY sports.
Last season was weird occurrence for all NBA... some random sht... no point to even analyze it.