Vmart wrote:Brunson is not available. He is basically starting on the Mavs. Unless you want to give RJ for Brunson. The best deal for the Knicks and it makes a whole lot of sense is Randle for Simmons.

Brunson is an impending free agent. His ties to the Knicks aren’t a secret. He would have no issues forcing his way here. I could buy the argument he’s not available if his contract wasn’t about to expire. Barrett isn’t needed. I say obi, Kemba and the Dallas first for Brunson and either Bullock or Powell would do it. Brunson is 25 and it’s no secret his skillset being able to play on or off the ball would work well.

Fournier, OBI, Mitch two 1st rnd picks for Fox or Haliburton, Bagley...probably a pipe dream

I know the knicks wont trade fox because of his contract and the picks they will have to give up

martin wrote:Could be really come down to this:

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https://twitter.com/Tom_Piccolo/status/1484528954019045381

Bingo…nailed it. I’ve used so many words to say what u posted in such a small package. Hard to win consistently like this. Thibs laid in the bed with these two as his core. He’s very stubborn and already made a political and logical mistake on handling Kemba. I’m sure he will be gun shy on changing up his mins distribution with these two guys. Stubborn like most old guys, including me. But thibs has to see there needs to be a change how he distributes mins. Gotta believe its pretty obvious by now.

SergioNYK wrote:I think the only way we can salvage Randle and live with him for the remainder of his contract is by somehow acquiring an attacking penetrating scoring PG. Pretty much a younger version of Rose. This team has played their best ball the last two seasons when Rose was playing well consistently. But those guys are almost impossible to acquire unless you want to take a risk and trade for Westbrook (I don't!). But I think we need a guard with the respect to his name who will take the ball out of Randle's hands and consistently attack and score. We need to limit Randle's responsibilities and have him play Robin to a Batman at PG.

Kemba's toast. He can't give you good consistent production with those knees. And Brunson is not it either. Hate to be greedy but we honestly need an All-Star level player at the position if we are ever going to reach this teams max potential with Randle on the roster.

Not sure why everybody is against adding the ultimate rim attacking guard in westbrick, during his expiring contract year. Now I’m against giving up much and maybe that’s the issue. But if this FO can work it’s magic without giving up the farm or youths you do it. If that’s nearly impossible then move on.

blkexec wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I think the only way we can salvage Randle and live with him for the remainder of his contract is by somehow acquiring an attacking penetrating scoring PG. Pretty much a younger version of Rose. This team has played their best ball the last two seasons when Rose was playing well consistently. But those guys are almost impossible to acquire unless you want to take a risk and trade for Westbrook (I don't!). But I think we need a guard with the respect to his name who will take the ball out of Randle's hands and consistently attack and score. We need to limit Randle's responsibilities and have him play Robin to a Batman at PG.

Kemba's toast. He can't give you good consistent production with those knees. And Brunson is not it either. Hate to be greedy but we honestly need an All-Star level player at the position if we are ever going to reach this teams max potential with Randle on the roster.

Not sure why everybody is against adding the ultimate rim attacking guard in westbrick, during his expiring contract year. Now I’m against giving up much and maybe that’s the issue. But if this FO can work it’s magic without giving up the farm or youths you do it. If that’s nearly impossible then move on.

Then propose a trade if it is so easy. It's not because of his outsized contract.

And he can get to the rim but his shooting is worse than RJ's at the rim and his TO rate is even worse than Randle. And the dude cannot shoot and is a high usage player. And he is a PG and EVERYONE blows right past him.

We can't get caught up in exactly one aspect of what Westbrook CAN do while completely ignoring the rest.

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:Could be really come down to this:

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https://twitter.com/Tom_Piccolo/status/1484528954019045381

Bingo…nailed it. I’ve used so many words to say what u posted in such a small package. Hard to win consistently like this. Thibs laid in the bed with these two as his core. He’s very stubborn and already made a political and logical mistake on handling Kemba. I’m sure he will be gun shy on changing up his mins distribution with these two guys. Stubborn like most old guys, including me. But thibs has to see there needs to be a change how he distributes mins. Gotta believe its pretty obvious by now.

? I agree with your main statement of RJ and Randle being the core players for the Knicks but Thibs laid in bed with these 2? They are the best players on the team, what else is there?

I guess so? Last year I think that was very true, eventhough RJ was too young to even prove himself yet. But definitely who was having a great year prior to coming to NY. My memory is bad, but Thibs 1st year was RJ's second year correct? Not sure I remember RJ doing much as a freshmen to warrant get top 5 minutes per game in the entire NBA, like all the other lebron type stars.

This year, looks like they are getting the same treatment, eventhough our team supposed to be deeper with more talent at the top in Kemba and EF. So thats why I said I guess so?

My lay in the bed comment is more about thibs making a decision and sticking to it, regardless. I guess if we add a player better than Randle, then RJ's minutes go down? I'm not so sure. I would guess someone elses minutes will drop. He's well known to run his players into the ground, depending on who's his favorite. Ross when he started, played close to 40. Off the bench, he was in the 30's. So I don't know man. I never understood Thibs rotation and minutes distribution. And I will only go crazy trying to understand it.

jskinny35 wrote:I find some fault with Thibs because he hasn't adjusted. I get the love/priority for Randle and RJ (they are 2 best players) but watching Randle (and to a lesser extent RJ) make the same mistakes over and over and not hold them accountable or switch things up - that's on him IMO. Yes there are limited options, but any forum member here could have laid out this type of offense with a limited roster. Thibs's bread and butter is preparation and obtaining defensive effort from his teams. Thibs is also really lacking in offensive creativity and too stubborn. I do admire his loyalty to players (and understand the value) but at some point he needs to step back and not keep riding our best player simply because he's our best player. Our best player has average court vision and struggles when pressured with the ball. So the offense needs to be spread out more so Randle doesn't have such a heavy load. Problem is Randle just stands around when he doesn't have the ball in his hands much of the time. In fairness, most of the Knick starters do that. Only 2nd unit cuts, runs hard and moves the ball well.

I agree with most of what you are saying but I cannot get over the Offensive Creativity statement that I keep hearing repeated.

His best 2 players are RJ and Randle and they are not good passers. Rose has been out. Kemba we all knew his background. IQ is learning.

Mitch is still learning basic basketball fundamentals.

What creativity do you think ANY coach could put into that circumstance from an offensive perspective?

The Knicks run the same types of sets that 75% of the NBA runs.

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:Could be really come down to this:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Tom_Piccolo/status/1484528954019045381

Bingo…nailed it. I’ve used so many words to say what u posted in such a small package. Hard to win consistently like this. Thibs laid in the bed with these two as his core. He’s very stubborn and already made a political and logical mistake on handling Kemba. I’m sure he will be gun shy on changing up his mins distribution with these two guys. Stubborn like most old guys, including me. But thibs has to see there needs to be a change how he distributes mins. Gotta believe its pretty obvious by now.

one can only surmise the players that rank higher have teams with winning records better than ours? Brilliant!