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Clean wrote:Tommy is not bad if you know what to ignore and what to pay attention to. When he starts cherry picking stats and combining them then you ignore. However, him just stating regular advanced stats are fine.

Yeah agreed. He intentionally cherry picks and tells you he is doing it. I just find it interesting.

Maybe SBarnes is the most dynamic without the offensive polish?

Clean wrote:Martin this is not specifically directed to you but I am talking in general. This is obviously subjective but is that really a bad shot? It's not at the start of the shot clock. It's not a 3pt shot. He did not over dribble. It is right out of the Allan Houston playbook. Stat people say to avoid mid range shots but I say if you can make them at a good clip then take them. Look at Derozan. He lives in the mid range and has killed the NBA this season. These are the things Grimes needs to figure out with playing time. Instead of beating it out of him instantly by quick pulls let him experiment and try and see if he can make it work. If we go a period of time and that shot is considered inefficient for him then we take it out of his toolkit.

This is a really good question.

Here is my take: For Allan Houston and especially (and obviously) guys like Steph and Klay, those are good enough shots for them.

But when you are trying to grow a young player or rookie like IQ or Grimes, it's not. Each player will have a certain amount of moves or types of shots he has thoroughly practiced and within his bag. Give or take, stick with those until you mastered them in practice and shown you can also hit them in a game. After that, add new type of shot to your repertoire in practice first and then show us you can do it in a game. These are high level guideline and not fast and hard rules.

With 10 seconds left in the shot clock, is that the best shot you can take (have you mastered it in practice) and/or can you move the ball so that your teammate can get a better shot, one that is not considered the worst type of shot in the NBA, the long 2 ball off of a pull up dribble with a guy in your face.

I am under the 100% perception that Thibs and staff right up through the FO is actually trying to develop guys. Am I reading too much into things? Maybe. But typically this is what it looks like.

Thibs has no offensive creativity or doesn't start the young guys when Kemba and Fournier obviously suck? Yup, cause their main/dual focus (while also trying to win games) is to make sure their young core is taking the right steps in development.

Obi is not a good 3 point shooter, so you ONLY want him doing the catch and shoot variety and mostly in the corner where his feet are set, he is not moving and having to do extra things outside of catch ball and look and shoot. You don't want him doing dribble pull up in transition, which is a much harder shot, and you have SPECIFICALLY told him not to, and when he does, you pull him and he remembers. He gets pissed and remembers and practices the **** out of that shot so he can stay on the floor. It's the anti-Knox first year treatment and purposely so so that you don't build bad habits. Obi did this a couple of games ago and was yanked.

It gets guys doing the right thing all the time. It builds good habits instead of bad. It gets guys making sure they go all Kobe, Mamba mentality in the offseason and stay late working on their games.

I'd place all sort of money that these are the things Thibs and staff are telling their young guys: Defend with a ton of energy. We will show you how to defend the PnR, how and when to rotate, how to position yourself. Make those things a priority first. Then, these are the things you as a player are really good at, do those things all the time when open or within the flow of the game. Here are a few things we DON'T want you to do you cause you shoot like 20% from the field when you do them. Practice them. Sure if there is less than 5 seconds on clock and there is no other option, shot that ball. But if we have enough time, move the ball. Do these things and you will get playing time.

martin wrote:
I am under the 100% perception that Thibs and staff right up through the FO is actually trying to develop guys. Am I reading too much into things? Maybe. But typically this is what it looks like.

Thibs has no offensive creativity or doesn't start the young guys when Kemba and Fournier obviously suck? Yup, cause their main/dual focus (while also trying to win games) is to make sure their young core is taking the right steps in development.

Obi is not a good 3 point shooter, so you ONLY want him doing the catch and shoot variety and mostly in the corner where his feet are set, he is not moving and having to do extra things outside of catch ball and look and shoot. You don't want him doing dribble pull up in transition, which is a much harder shot, and you have SPECIFICALLY told him not to, and when he does, you pull him and he remembers. He gets pissed and remembers and practices the **** out of that shot so he can stay on the floor. It's the anti-Knox first year treatment and purposely so so that you don't build bad habits. Obi did this a couple of games ago and was yanked.

It gets guys doing the right thing all the time. It builds good habits instead of bad. It gets guys making sure they go all Kobe, Mamba mentality in the offseason and stay late working on their games.

I'd place all sort of money that these are the things Thibs and staff are telling their young guys: Defend with a ton of energy. We will show you how to defend the PnR, how and when to rotate, how to position yourself. Make those things a priority first. Then, these are the things you as a player are really good at, do those things all the time when open or within the flow of the game. Here are a few things we DON'T want you to do you cause you shoot like 20% from the field when you do them. Practice them. Sure if there is less than 5 seconds on clock and there is no other option, shot that ball. But if we have enough time, move the ball. Do these things and you will get playing time.

Who the hell needs Tommy Beer?

martin wrote:I don't watch games outside of Knicks but Grimes is maybe the best 3&D guy in this graft? Don't know about Dosunmu or Duate.

Maybe SBarnes is the most dynamic without the offensive polish?

I knew that based on most of your responses.

I Have league pass so I watch a lot of NBA games, and I also read the local sports news of every one of our opponents on game day.

Grimes on a team with a faster pace would be a starter.