Looking at Cams numbers with Trae off the court, I think some players (Collins. Cam) like Trae but dont like his style of play. The GM was on a week ago and basically called out the team for not even trying to defend. Cam was one of the worse defenders so its not surprising that he was delt, but as I mentioned earlier, I do wonder what his relationship was with Trae and Nate and if that was a factor. Cam was one of a handful of players that wanted Peirce fired.

Uptown wrote:Been listening to sports talk radio in Atlanta most of the week but especially today after the trade. They are implying that something is going on in the locker room with the Hawks. Last year, Collins all but called out Trae for monopolizing the ball and stagnating the offense. Before things got really bad, Peirce was fired and Nate replaced him. The Ws piled up and everything was all good. About a week ago, Collins is at it again, calling for more touches and wants to be more than a player who hangs out on the perimeter while Trae does his thing or hangs in the dunker spot waiting for lobs. Collins was on the way out until their improbable run in the playoffs. There are some murmurs of regret for signing Collins and won't be surprised if the Hawks begin quietly shopping him in the near future. Not just because of his play, but the Hawks are committed to building around Trae.

Looking at Cams numbers with Trae off the court, I think some players (Collins. Cam) like Trae but dont like his style of play. The GM was on a week ago and basically called out the team for not even trying to defend. Cam was one of the worse defenders so its not surprising that he was delt, but as I mentioned earlier, I do wonder what his relationship was with Trae and Nate and if that was a factor. Cam was one of a handful of players that wanted Peirce fired.

i was just thinking to myself is ATL waiving the white flag, or is this dude not that good.

I was reading another Article about Gallo being up for grabs as well, in fact he tweeted himself about wanting to finish the yr in ATL

Danilo Gallinari on trade rumors: “I’d like to stay until the end of the season also because changing in-season is never easy, for many reasons. But anything can happen “.

Fans think we're struggling and ATL went to the ECF 7 months ago, brought back the same team, extended a interim coach and are 5 games under 500 mid way through the very next season

Rookie wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Uptown wrote:I reside in the A and have seen Cam quite a bit, except this year since I cut the cord. Cam is very talented, in fact there was some debate that he was just as skilled as RJ or at least had a bigger upside. The knock on Cam coming out of Duke was that he has a low motor which is a red flag. I definitely saw the low energy and what appeared dot be disinterest from him at times, but I can say that his intensity picked up once Nate took over as the coach.

Cam's a very good shooter but he's streaky. He can put the ball on the floor and get to the paint, but I thought he settles for 3's way too much. The talent and skill is there for him to be a very good player. He has great size and a shooters touch. I am excited to see if he can untap his full potential here.

Cam will be the new punching bag for most knick fans. Low motor players usually don’t change. Tmac was considered low motor. Some guys are just smooth. But from what I said about cam, u can say the same about knox. Cam will get the same treatment as knox. Give it time

I'm not buying what you're selling here regarding Cam as the new punching bag. Go back and watch the playoffs last year when Cam returned against the Bucks. His per 36 was pretty damn good. Very good performance, good intensity, good defense and hardly a low motor. Just my opinion but perhaps his effort issues stem from immaturity / motivation. He performs much better when Trae is not on the court, so maybe there is a personality conflict. He was drafted at 19 and is only 22.....not every player comes out of the womb as mature as RJ. Cam also seems to have self corrected with Nate and he's performing much more consistently the past group of games. Cam is explosive athletically and I actually think that's what NY fans are longing for and one of the reasons they love Obi.

Knox always struck me as a super laid back type / borderline space cadet which fans read as lack of intensity & motor. Ultimately it may serve him very well in the right situation.

Believe me I hope your right. Now that Cam's a knick, I will root for him. But my punching bag comment was not something I would do, or you from what I'm hearing. But knick fans always need 1 puching bag player and as soon as Cam miss a defensive assignment or Thibs burrys him on the bench for long stretches, the negative threads on Cam will surface.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. And I'm guilty becasue I only remember Cam in college. I do not remember him play in the nba last year. I did pickup Cam in my fantasy league, then I dropped him before he was traded. So I saw he put up 30 with 8 threes 1 game. Then zero the next. And I believe knox has a 30pt game in his bag with 8 threes as well. But that doesn't tell me Cam will be more consistent than Knox.

What makes me cautious about Cam is exactly what you said. How he plays better without Trae (20pt averge) vs with Trae (11pt average). He appears to be a player that needs a volumn of shots or a player that allows his defense to dictate his offense. I'm hoping linking Cam with RJ will help both players, and thats the difference. Cam will hang around RJ most of the time, which is great for Cam. And RJ will now become a 1 on 1 mentor, which is always good for a young players development. Hopefully both players can grow together, since there's instint chemistry already. But until we make a trade, don't see Cam getting a lot of playing time, unless he proves he can guard bigger players than RJ or Grimes can guard. Then thibs will find time for him. But Burks or Fournier will have to get traded eventually. Or Cam just has to wait until a Covid / injury comes up.

With the current roster, who's spot will Cam take? Knox was not in the rotation. If Cam is, someone has to step down or get their minutes reduced.

Grimes? I don't think so. Not the way he's been playing.
EF? Doubt it after putting up that 40 and showing some consistency on offense. But if Cam can provide similar production with added defense at SF, thats his way into the rotation.
Burks? Thibs loves this kid, as a starter or off the bench, so nope he won't get impacted.
Kemba? nope he's stuck at PG and he's a starter only.

Will be interesting to see how Thibs handles this addition, eventhough he's known for his tight 9 man rotation.

1. RJ
2. Randle
3. Mitch
4. EF
5. Burks
6. IQ
7. Obi
8. Noel / Taj
9. Rose
10. Kemba

At full strength, there's no minutes for him currently. The FO needs to make a trade, if they see Cam as a rotational player.

I agree that there's a proble finding PT at full strength. However Rose is still out for a while and Kemba will likely be on load mgmt because of his knee. That will mean IQ and Burks slide to PG and potential minutes for Cam. If he proves himself in the near term, then we can worry about who gets the PT later.

Never mind blkexec. From reading this I can see you completely made everything up. You watched a few college games??? Come on man, this is pretty lazy. As far as minutes go, why would Thibs play him more minutes then Obi? You saw and acknowledged how Grimes earned Thibs trust and is rewarded with minutes. Why wouldn’t Reddish have to do the same? Maybe he doesn’t even play until he is ready and needed. Good news, we have about 122 games to evaluate. I think this kid shines under Thibs, Bryant and Payne. I am really ****ing excited about this trade.

Lazy? What are u talking about? U must be talking to the wrong person lol. And what’s ur argument? I think u are confused on my point which is ok, we all make mistakes.

Uptown wrote:Been listening to sports talk radio in Atlanta most of the week but especially today after the trade. They are implying that something is going on in the locker room with the Hawks. Last year, Collins all but called out Trae for monopolizing the ball and stagnating the offense. Before things got really bad, Peirce was fired and Nate replaced him. The Ws piled up and everything was all good. About a week ago, Collins is at it again, calling for more touches and wants to be more than a player who hangs out on the perimeter while Trae does his thing or hangs in the dunker spot waiting for lobs. Collins was on the way out until their improbable run in the playoffs. There are some murmurs of regret for signing Collins and won't be surprised if the Hawks begin quietly shopping him in the near future. Not just because of his play, but the Hawks are committed to building around Trae.

Looking at Cams numbers with Trae off the court, I think some players (Collins. Cam) like Trae but dont like his style of play. The GM was on a week ago and basically called out the team for not even trying to defend. Cam was one of the worse defenders so its not surprising that he was delt, but as I mentioned earlier, I do wonder what his relationship was with Trae and Nate and if that was a factor. Cam was one of a handful of players that wanted Peirce fired.

I gotta guess Cam wants consistent playing time - or at least a legit opportunity - cause his contract is up soon, and he is behind Hueter, Bogi, Hunter and then Atlanta drafts Johnson. Oh, and the coach has been giving minutes to some dude named Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot.

And Trae is a PnR high usage, high shot player.

John Collins, Gallo gonna get the PF minutes.

I'd make waves too and get the f out of that rotation and team.

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blkexec wrote:

Rookie wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Uptown wrote:I reside in the A and have seen Cam quite a bit, except this year since I cut the cord. Cam is very talented, in fact there was some debate that he was just as skilled as RJ or at least had a bigger upside. The knock on Cam coming out of Duke was that he has a low motor which is a red flag. I definitely saw the low energy and what appeared dot be disinterest from him at times, but I can say that his intensity picked up once Nate took over as the coach.

Cam's a very good shooter but he's streaky. He can put the ball on the floor and get to the paint, but I thought he settles for 3's way too much. The talent and skill is there for him to be a very good player. He has great size and a shooters touch. I am excited to see if he can untap his full potential here.

Cam will be the new punching bag for most knick fans. Low motor players usually don’t change. Tmac was considered low motor. Some guys are just smooth. But from what I said about cam, u can say the same about knox. Cam will get the same treatment as knox. Give it time

I'm not buying what you're selling here regarding Cam as the new punching bag. Go back and watch the playoffs last year when Cam returned against the Bucks. His per 36 was pretty damn good. Very good performance, good intensity, good defense and hardly a low motor. Just my opinion but perhaps his effort issues stem from immaturity / motivation. He performs much better when Trae is not on the court, so maybe there is a personality conflict. He was drafted at 19 and is only 22.....not every player comes out of the womb as mature as RJ. Cam also seems to have self corrected with Nate and he's performing much more consistently the past group of games. Cam is explosive athletically and I actually think that's what NY fans are longing for and one of the reasons they love Obi.

Knox always struck me as a super laid back type / borderline space cadet which fans read as lack of intensity & motor. Ultimately it may serve him very well in the right situation.

Believe me I hope your right. Now that Cam's a knick, I will root for him. But my punching bag comment was not something I would do, or you from what I'm hearing. But knick fans always need 1 puching bag player and as soon as Cam miss a defensive assignment or Thibs burrys him on the bench for long stretches, the negative threads on Cam will surface.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. And I'm guilty becasue I only remember Cam in college. I do not remember him play in the nba last year. I did pickup Cam in my fantasy league, then I dropped him before he was traded. So I saw he put up 30 with 8 threes 1 game. Then zero the next. And I believe knox has a 30pt game in his bag with 8 threes as well. But that doesn't tell me Cam will be more consistent than Knox.

What makes me cautious about Cam is exactly what you said. How he plays better without Trae (20pt averge) vs with Trae (11pt average). He appears to be a player that needs a volumn of shots or a player that allows his defense to dictate his offense. I'm hoping linking Cam with RJ will help both players, and thats the difference. Cam will hang around RJ most of the time, which is great for Cam. And RJ will now become a 1 on 1 mentor, which is always good for a young players development. Hopefully both players can grow together, since there's instint chemistry already. But until we make a trade, don't see Cam getting a lot of playing time, unless he proves he can guard bigger players than RJ or Grimes can guard. Then thibs will find time for him. But Burks or Fournier will have to get traded eventually. Or Cam just has to wait until a Covid / injury comes up.

With the current roster, who's spot will Cam take? Knox was not in the rotation. If Cam is, someone has to step down or get their minutes reduced.

Grimes? I don't think so. Not the way he's been playing.
EF? Doubt it after putting up that 40 and showing some consistency on offense. But if Cam can provide similar production with added defense at SF, thats his way into the rotation.
Burks? Thibs loves this kid, as a starter or off the bench, so nope he won't get impacted.
Kemba? nope he's stuck at PG and he's a starter only.

Will be interesting to see how Thibs handles this addition, eventhough he's known for his tight 9 man rotation.

1. RJ
2. Randle
3. Mitch
4. EF
5. Burks
6. IQ
7. Obi
8. Noel / Taj
9. Rose
10. Kemba

At full strength, there's no minutes for him currently. The FO needs to make a trade, if they see Cam as a rotational player.

I agree that there's a proble finding PT at full strength. However Rose is still out for a while and Kemba will likely be on load mgmt because of his knee. That will mean IQ and Burks slide to PG and potential minutes for Cam. If he proves himself in the near term, then we can worry about who gets the PT later.

Never mind blkexec. From reading this I can see you completely made everything up. You watched a few college games??? Come on man, this is pretty lazy. As far as minutes go, why would Thibs play him more minutes then Obi? You saw and acknowledged how Grimes earned Thibs trust and is rewarded with minutes. Why wouldn’t Reddish have to do the same? Maybe he doesn’t even play until he is ready and needed. Good news, we have about 122 games to evaluate. I think this kid shines under Thibs, Bryant and Payne. I am really ****ing excited about this trade.

Lazy? What are u talking about? U must be talking to the wrong person lol. And what’s ur argument? I think u are confused on my point which is ok, we all make mistakes.

You say in your post that you don’t even remember seeing him play in the nba. I really don’t get your negativity about Reddish especially since you don’t remember seeing him play in the nba. He needs to be developed and I think we have the staff to do it. That is my only issue with your post and why I said you were being lazy

martin wrote:This is an insane good trade for the Knicks IMHO

Finally a real sized SF.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Been listening to sports talk radio in Atlanta most of the week but especially today after the trade. They are implying that something is going on in the locker room with the Hawks. Last year, Collins all but called out Trae for monopolizing the ball and stagnating the offense. Before things got really bad, Peirce was fired and Nate replaced him. The Ws piled up and everything was all good. About a week ago, Collins is at it again, calling for more touches and wants to be more than a player who hangs out on the perimeter while Trae does his thing or hangs in the dunker spot waiting for lobs. Collins was on the way out until their improbable run in the playoffs. There are some murmurs of regret for signing Collins and won't be surprised if the Hawks begin quietly shopping him in the near future. Not just because of his play, but the Hawks are committed to building around Trae.

Looking at Cams numbers with Trae off the court, I think some players (Collins. Cam) like Trae but dont like his style of play. The GM was on a week ago and basically called out the team for not even trying to defend. Cam was one of the worse defenders so its not surprising that he was delt, but as I mentioned earlier, I do wonder what his relationship was with Trae and Nate and if that was a factor. Cam was one of a handful of players that wanted Peirce fired.

i was just thinking to myself is ATL waiving the white flag, or is this dude not that good.

I was reading another Article about Gallo being up for grabs as well, in fact he tweeted himself about wanting to finish the yr in ATL

Danilo Gallinari on trade rumors: “I’d like to stay until the end of the season also because changing in-season is never easy, for many reasons. But anything can happen “.

careful!

That was pretty effing funny 😆