Clean wrote:The best thing about this is we basically got Cam and Rokus for free. We got who we wanted from the draft anyway and by trading back we got A 1st and 2nd that turned into Cam and Rokus. Wonderful job by the front office.

if you go back and look at that draft, leon pulled off the infamous Iron Lotus (of Blades of Glory fame)

blkexec wrote:

Uptown wrote:I reside in the A and have seen Cam quite a bit, except this year since I cut the cord. Cam is very talented, in fact there was some debate that he was just as skilled as RJ or at least had a bigger upside. The knock on Cam coming out of Duke was that he has a low motor which is a red flag. I definitely saw the low energy and what appeared dot be disinterest from him at times, but I can say that his intensity picked up once Nate took over as the coach.

Cam's a very good shooter but he's streaky. He can put the ball on the floor and get to the paint, but I thought he settles for 3's way too much. The talent and skill is there for him to be a very good player. He has great size and a shooters touch. I am excited to see if he can untap his full potential here.

Cam will be the new punching bag for most knick fans. Low motor players usually don’t change. Tmac was considered low motor. Some guys are just smooth. But from what I said about cam, u can say the same about knox. Cam will get the same treatment as knox. Give it time

I'm not buying what you're selling here regarding Cam as the new punching bag. Go back and watch the playoffs last year when Cam returned against the Bucks. His per 36 was pretty damn good. Very good performance, good intensity, good defense and hardly a low motor. Just my opinion but perhaps his effort issues stem from immaturity / motivation. He performs much better when Trae is not on the court, so maybe there is a personality conflict. He was drafted at 19 and is only 22.....not every player comes out of the womb as mature as RJ. Cam also seems to have self corrected with Nate and he's performing much more consistently the past group of games. Cam is explosive athletically and I actually think that's what NY fans are longing for and one of the reasons they love Obi.

Knox always struck me as a super laid back type / borderline space cadet which fans read as lack of intensity & motor. Ultimately it may serve him very well in the right situation.

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Uptown wrote:I reside in the A and have seen Cam quite a bit, except this year since I cut the cord. Cam is very talented, in fact there was some debate that he was just as skilled as RJ or at least had a bigger upside. The knock on Cam coming out of Duke was that he has a low motor which is a red flag. I definitely saw the low energy and what appeared dot be disinterest from him at times, but I can say that his intensity picked up once Nate took over as the coach.

Cam's a very good shooter but he's streaky. He can put the ball on the floor and get to the paint, but I thought he settles for 3's way too much. The talent and skill is there for him to be a very good player. He has great size and a shooters touch. I am excited to see if he can untap his full potential here.

Cam will be the new punching bag for most knick fans. Low motor players usually don’t change. Tmac was considered low motor. Some guys are just smooth. But from what I said about cam, u can say the same about knox. Cam will get the same treatment as knox. Give it time

I'm not buying what you're selling here regarding Cam as the new punching bag. Go back and watch the playoffs last year when Cam returned against the Bucks. His per 36 was pretty damn good. Very good performance, good intensity, good defense and hardly a low motor. Just my opinion but perhaps his effort issues stem from immaturity / motivation. He performs much better when Trae is not on the court, so maybe there is a personality conflict. He was drafted at 19 and is only 22.....not every player comes out of the womb as mature as RJ. Cam also seems to have self corrected with Nate and he's performing much more consistently the past group of games. Cam is explosive athletically and I actually think that's what NY fans are longing for and one of the reasons they love Obi.

Knox always struck me as a super laid back type / borderline space cadet which fans read as lack of intensity & motor. Ultimately it may serve him very well in the right situation.

Believe me I hope your right. Now that Cam's a knick, I will root for him. But my punching bag comment was not something I would do, or you from what I'm hearing. But knick fans always need 1 puching bag player and as soon as Cam miss a defensive assignment or Thibs burrys him on the bench for long stretches, the negative threads on Cam will surface.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. And I'm guilty becasue I only remember Cam in college. I do not remember him play in the nba last year. I did pickup Cam in my fantasy league, then I dropped him before he was traded. So I saw he put up 30 with 8 threes 1 game. Then zero the next. And I believe knox has a 30pt game in his bag with 8 threes as well. But that doesn't tell me Cam will be more consistent than Knox.

What makes me cautious about Cam is exactly what you said. How he plays better without Trae (20pt averge) vs with Trae (11pt average). He appears to be a player that needs a volumn of shots or a player that allows his defense to dictate his offense. I'm hoping linking Cam with RJ will help both players, and thats the difference. Cam will hang around RJ most of the time, which is great for Cam. And RJ will now become a 1 on 1 mentor, which is always good for a young players development. Hopefully both players can grow together, since there's instint chemistry already. But until we make a trade, don't see Cam getting a lot of playing time, unless he proves he can guard bigger players than RJ or Grimes can guard. Then thibs will find time for him. But Burks or Fournier will have to get traded eventually. Or Cam just has to wait until a Covid / injury comes up.

With the current roster, who's spot will Cam take? Knox was not in the rotation. If Cam is, someone has to step down or get their minutes reduced.

Grimes? I don't think so. Not the way he's been playing.
EF? Doubt it after putting up that 40 and showing some consistency on offense. But if Cam can provide similar production with added defense at SF, thats his way into the rotation.
Burks? Thibs loves this kid, as a starter or off the bench, so nope he won't get impacted.
Kemba? nope he's stuck at PG and he's a starter only.

Will be interesting to see how Thibs handles this addition, eventhough he's known for his tight 9 man rotation.

1. RJ
2. Randle
3. Mitch
4. EF
5. Burks
6. IQ
7. Obi
8. Noel / Taj
9. Rose
10. Kemba

At full strength, there's no minutes for him currently. The FO needs to make a trade, if they see Cam as a rotational player.

nycdan wrote:What is not to like about Obi? He's been playing better this season and seems to produce well for the minutes he sees. Is this just a case of not being Julius or is there a defect in his game?

outside shooting sucks

blkexec wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Uptown wrote:I reside in the A and have seen Cam quite a bit, except this year since I cut the cord. Cam is very talented, in fact there was some debate that he was just as skilled as RJ or at least had a bigger upside. The knock on Cam coming out of Duke was that he has a low motor which is a red flag. I definitely saw the low energy and what appeared dot be disinterest from him at times, but I can say that his intensity picked up once Nate took over as the coach.

Cam's a very good shooter but he's streaky. He can put the ball on the floor and get to the paint, but I thought he settles for 3's way too much. The talent and skill is there for him to be a very good player. He has great size and a shooters touch. I am excited to see if he can untap his full potential here.

Cam will be the new punching bag for most knick fans. Low motor players usually don’t change. Tmac was considered low motor. Some guys are just smooth. But from what I said about cam, u can say the same about knox. Cam will get the same treatment as knox. Give it time

I'm not buying what you're selling here regarding Cam as the new punching bag. Go back and watch the playoffs last year when Cam returned against the Bucks. His per 36 was pretty damn good. Very good performance, good intensity, good defense and hardly a low motor. Just my opinion but perhaps his effort issues stem from immaturity / motivation. He performs much better when Trae is not on the court, so maybe there is a personality conflict. He was drafted at 19 and is only 22.....not every player comes out of the womb as mature as RJ. Cam also seems to have self corrected with Nate and he's performing much more consistently the past group of games. Cam is explosive athletically and I actually think that's what NY fans are longing for and one of the reasons they love Obi.

Knox always struck me as a super laid back type / borderline space cadet which fans read as lack of intensity & motor. Ultimately it may serve him very well in the right situation.

Believe me I hope your right. Now that Cam's a knick, I will root for him. But my punching bag comment was not something I would do, or you from what I'm hearing. But knick fans always need 1 puching bag player and as soon as Cam miss a defensive assignment or Thibs burrys him on the bench for long stretches, the negative threads on Cam will surface.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. And I'm guilty becasue I only remember Cam in college. I do not remember him play in the nba last year. I did pickup Cam in my fantasy league, then I dropped him before he was traded. So I saw he put up 30 with 8 threes 1 game. Then zero the next. And I believe knox has a 30pt game in his bag with 8 threes as well. But that doesn't tell me Cam will be more consistent than Knox.

What makes me cautious about Cam is exactly what you said. How he plays better without Trae (20pt averge) vs with Trae (11pt average). He appears to be a player that needs a volumn of shots or a player that allows his defense to dictate his offense. I'm hoping linking Cam with RJ will help both players, and thats the difference. Cam will hang around RJ most of the time, which is great for Cam. And RJ will now become a 1 on 1 mentor, which is always good for a young players development. Hopefully both players can grow together, since there's instint chemistry already. But until we make a trade, don't see Cam getting a lot of playing time, unless he proves he can guard bigger players than RJ or Grimes can guard. Then thibs will find time for him. But Burks or Fournier will have to get traded eventually. Or Cam just has to wait until a Covid / injury comes up.

With the current roster, who's spot will Cam take? Knox was not in the rotation. If Cam is, someone has to step down or get their minutes reduced.

Grimes? I don't think so. Not the way he's been playing.
EF? Doubt it after putting up that 40 and showing some consistency on offense. But if Cam can provide similar production with added defense at SF, thats his way into the rotation.
Burks? Thibs loves this kid, as a starter or off the bench, so nope he won't get impacted.
Kemba? nope he's stuck at PG and he's a starter only.

Will be interesting to see how Thibs handles this addition, eventhough he's known for his tight 9 man rotation.

1. RJ
2. Randle
3. Mitch
4. EF
5. Burks
6. IQ
7. Obi
8. Noel / Taj
9. Rose
10. Kemba

At full strength, there's no minutes for him currently. The FO needs to make a trade, if they see Cam as a rotational player.

I agree that there's a proble finding PT at full strength. However Rose is still out for a while and Kemba will likely be on load mgmt because of his knee. That will mean IQ and Burks slide to PG and potential minutes for Cam. If he proves himself in the near term, then we can worry about who gets the PT later.

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Uptown wrote:I reside in the A and have seen Cam quite a bit, except this year since I cut the cord. Cam is very talented, in fact there was some debate that he was just as skilled as RJ or at least had a bigger upside. The knock on Cam coming out of Duke was that he has a low motor which is a red flag. I definitely saw the low energy and what appeared dot be disinterest from him at times, but I can say that his intensity picked up once Nate took over as the coach.

Cam's a very good shooter but he's streaky. He can put the ball on the floor and get to the paint, but I thought he settles for 3's way too much. The talent and skill is there for him to be a very good player. He has great size and a shooters touch. I am excited to see if he can untap his full potential here.

Cam will be the new punching bag for most knick fans. Low motor players usually don’t change. Tmac was considered low motor. Some guys are just smooth. But from what I said about cam, u can say the same about knox. Cam will get the same treatment as knox. Give it time

I'm not buying what you're selling here regarding Cam as the new punching bag. Go back and watch the playoffs last year when Cam returned against the Bucks. His per 36 was pretty damn good. Very good performance, good intensity, good defense and hardly a low motor. Just my opinion but perhaps his effort issues stem from immaturity / motivation. He performs much better when Trae is not on the court, so maybe there is a personality conflict. He was drafted at 19 and is only 22.....not every player comes out of the womb as mature as RJ. Cam also seems to have self corrected with Nate and he's performing much more consistently the past group of games. Cam is explosive athletically and I actually think that's what NY fans are longing for and one of the reasons they love Obi.

Knox always struck me as a super laid back type / borderline space cadet which fans read as lack of intensity & motor. Ultimately it may serve him very well in the right situation.

Believe me I hope your right. Now that Cam's a knick, I will root for him. But my punching bag comment was not something I would do, or you from what I'm hearing. But knick fans always need 1 puching bag player and as soon as Cam miss a defensive assignment or Thibs burrys him on the bench for long stretches, the negative threads on Cam will surface.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. And I'm guilty becasue I only remember Cam in college. I do not remember him play in the nba last year. I did pickup Cam in my fantasy league, then I dropped him before he was traded. So I saw he put up 30 with 8 threes 1 game. Then zero the next. And I believe knox has a 30pt game in his bag with 8 threes as well. But that doesn't tell me Cam will be more consistent than Knox.

What makes me cautious about Cam is exactly what you said. How he plays better without Trae (20pt averge) vs with Trae (11pt average). He appears to be a player that needs a volumn of shots or a player that allows his defense to dictate his offense. I'm hoping linking Cam with RJ will help both players, and thats the difference. Cam will hang around RJ most of the time, which is great for Cam. And RJ will now become a 1 on 1 mentor, which is always good for a young players development. Hopefully both players can grow together, since there's instint chemistry already. But until we make a trade, don't see Cam getting a lot of playing time, unless he proves he can guard bigger players than RJ or Grimes can guard. Then thibs will find time for him. But Burks or Fournier will have to get traded eventually. Or Cam just has to wait until a Covid / injury comes up.

With the current roster, who's spot will Cam take? Knox was not in the rotation. If Cam is, someone has to step down or get their minutes reduced.

Grimes? I don't think so. Not the way he's been playing.
EF? Doubt it after putting up that 40 and showing some consistency on offense. But if Cam can provide similar production with added defense at SF, thats his way into the rotation.
Burks? Thibs loves this kid, as a starter or off the bench, so nope he won't get impacted.
Kemba? nope he's stuck at PG and he's a starter only.

Will be interesting to see how Thibs handles this addition, eventhough he's known for his tight 9 man rotation.

1. RJ
2. Randle
3. Mitch
4. EF
5. Burks
6. IQ
7. Obi
8. Noel / Taj
9. Rose
10. Kemba

At full strength, there's no minutes for him currently. The FO needs to make a trade, if they see Cam as a rotational player.

I agree that there's a proble finding PT at full strength. However Rose is still out for a while and Kemba will likely be on load mgmt because of his knee. That will mean IQ and Burks slide to PG and potential minutes for Cam. If he proves himself in the near term, then we can worry about who gets the PT later.

Never mind blkexec. From reading this I can see you completely made everything up. You watched a few college games??? Come on man, this is pretty lazy. As far as minutes go, why would Thibs play him more minutes then Obi? You saw and acknowledged how Grimes earned Thibs trust and is rewarded with minutes. Why wouldn’t Reddish have to do the same? Maybe he doesn’t even play until he is ready and needed. Good news, we have about 122 games to evaluate. I think this kid shines under Thibs, Bryant and Payne. I am really ****ing excited about this trade.

Uptown wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:I reside in the A and have seen Cam quite a bit, except this year since I cut the cord. Cam is very talented, in fact there was some debate that he was just as skilled as RJ or at least had a bigger upside. The knock on Cam coming out of Duke was that he has a low motor which is a red flag. I definitely saw the low energy and what appeared dot be disinterest from him at times, but I can say that his intensity picked up once Nate took over as the coach.

Cam's a very good shooter but he's streaky. He can put the ball on the floor and get to the paint, but I thought he settles for 3's way too much. The talent and skill is there for him to be a very good player. He has great size and a shooters touch. I am excited to see if he can untap his full potential here.

Watch a lot of the NBA. Agree with this. May be One person's junk for another's perceived treasure. Especially with fans. They are both 22. Both have struggled. And both have potential. Hopefully a change of scenery for both will do some good. Do not see this as a "fleecing" though considering we gave up a first round pick to swap the two and received a second in return. How the trade is judged, will depend on Cam coming in and considerably outperforms Knox's stint here. Which may not be very hard. That and on what the Hawks get with that 1at round pick. However, I do think and hope that the familiarity Cam has with RJ will help him turn the corner. If anything, Knox needed to be dealt to avoid getting nothing in return for him.

Thats a big part of this trade. Instead of losing our former 9th pick for nothing, they got a better version of Knox in a former 10th pick in the draft with a chance to get a close look at for 2 more years on a decent salary. Like I said earlier, he plays in spurts on both sides of the ball and whenever a player is labeled as having a low motor, that is a major red-flag for me. He did appear to show more intensity under coach Nate, but again, it was consistent. Like you said, hopefully a change of scenery will help him. Hopefully, playing in Thibs system will help him realize his potential because he is very skilled and has great size on the wing, something we desperately need.

Rookie wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knox has had breakout games as well— showing many different skills. Hopefully both players increase play/skills w new teams. Right now I don’t view it as slam dunk — I thought cam reddish honestly kind of sucked. So did Knox—so we’ll see I guess

I think both players are very similar, but I might change my mind after looking at some film of Cam. But my initial thoughts are similar to yours. If you think Knox sucks, then you may have the same feelings about Cam. I'm hoping Cam is a slightly better defender. He's definetly has more physical tools as a defender compared to knox. Cam is taller and longer.

Blkexec, what are you basing all of your opinions about Reddish on? You seem to come off like you’ve been following his career since high school. A long athletic wing with huge upside is what I’ve been hoping for and then boom, we trade for one, a former teammate of RJ’s to boot, and you crap all over his potential. Can you share why you are so down on Reddish?

Just college and fantasy basketball. I haven’t watched him and his recent growth. But low motor players is always a high risk especially under thibs. Knox is also a long athletic wing with huge upside. On paper they are very similar.

But I watched a few vids since my last post and it appears this is a low risk move for the Knicks. We get a 2 yr audition and if we don’t like him we trade him or let him walk. It’s a win win for us. All players look great on other teams until we see them up close. I’m just hoping we got cam at the right time. He’s also coming off an Achilles injury and recently sat at due to an ankle injury. So I’m not down on him. I’m just setting realistic expectations. And right now he’s on the same level as knox but has more upside. Let’s see if that upside comes to fruition under these broadway lights.