BRIGGS wrote:If u can win in sports— that’s the goal. So to me the trade was great. Best by trade in a long time. We went from a very mediocre team to a solid one with two legit stars Randle + rose) BUT like 2014 it’s turning into fools good. And I personally bought into the gold( how could a fan not) management bought it and spent Huge money to keep it together but I think as we are going to see the secondary phase of the Rose acquisition will be a nightmare and we’re all Blythe in chapter 2. Rose and Walker — both great. — will help the team— but they’re not physically able to do it consistently anymore. Tgis breakdown at 1 has caused disruption throughout lineup

2014 was not fools gold unless your a fool. 1/3rd that team retired and we were depleted with picks. Bargnani was a stretch move that failed but it was a good idea. He was a modern type player with skills. He could not stay healthy. Curse of 7footers with parimeter skills. Am I correct that Kirk snyder was used with that pick? IM not saying it did not suck. Just saying. Good idea badly executed. That was done under Grunwald and the last vestiges of Isiah influence?
All that winning last year was not fun? Seems for some the series vs ATL wiped out Randles magic season?
That we were 4th seed and anything less than that is a misery?
We two games under .500 and still a lot of season ahead.
Was it a curse?
I think it was to be assumed Drose would never play a full season and if so it gives our yoot time to develop. That is whats happening.
Toronto as you no doubt admire does a good job mostly out of the Lottery. Takes time.
2014 was a great season whose core was JR, Melo and Amare. That was the era peak.
WE have tradable players, picks, and abilty to move contracts too. No clear path to the future.
Try to enjoy what we do have.

I am definitely in the "Pu@$ies tank" camp. As well as in the keep your draft picks, be smart in signings and trades, create a winning culture one. So the Rose signing was definitely not a curse to me. I wonder at what point we get a decent dose of luck -- RJ's buzzer beater times ten cubed. When does that mid first rounder become a Greek Freak or Donovan Mitchell (or your 8th pick a Steph?), or your big trade/signing reap a Jimmy Butler or Kawhi? All which then fits with your coach and team chemistry?

I do know what doing the same old s#!t over and over equates to. So put me down as stay the course. Get Rose, Kemba et al healthy and see if we can create a little magic. Then see what the offseason can bring us. Or fire the coach and trash it all for Westbrook.

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If u can win in sports— that’s the goal. So to me the trade was great. Best by trade in a long time. We went from a very mediocre team to a solid one with two legit stars Randle + rose) BUT like 2014 it’s turning into fools good. And I personally bought into the gold( how could a fan not) management bought it and spent Huge money to keep it together but I think as we are going to see the secondary phase of the Rose acquisition will be a nightmare and we’re all Blythe in chapter 2. Rose and Walker — both great. — will help the team— but they’re not physically able to do it consistently anymore. Tgis breakdown at 1 has caused disruption throughout lineup

No clear path to the future.

Unfortunately True. And this is an eternally nagging Knick problem, maybe an NBA problem. Hard to name a team that breaks the stranglehold on the upper echelon of NBA playoff success that a handful of organizations hold.

I have a very hard time seeing anything more than thrashing in mediocrity for a while given this FO and coach. A very eclectic maze of conflicting needs and dependencies.

The D'Antoni years were as close as we got to actually breaking out, unforgivable reset.

There was no clear path preceding our rise last year. Imagine at seasons start we said “team will early double its win total, finish 4th, and Elf will start the vast majority of the games”. That would be laughable. This year the pundits said:” East is better, knicks in the 41-47 win range and mid pack with others” and we cried “bull****”.

No clear path is not a bad thing. It just means **** is not definable and maybe enjoy bits and pieces. Boston game Thursday was awesome! Not everthing is a path to something else.
Just cuz we cant see it dont mean it can’t happen?

BRIGGS wrote:If u can win in sports— that’s the goal. So to me the trade was great. Best by trade in a long time. We went from a very mediocre team to a solid one with two legit stars Randle + rose) BUT like 2014 it’s turning into fools good. And I personally bought into the gold( how could a fan not) management bought it and spent Huge money to keep it together but I think as we are going to see the secondary phase of the Rose acquisition will be a nightmare and we’re all Blythe in chapter 2. Rose and Walker — both great. — will help the team— but they’re not physically able to do it consistently anymore. Tgis breakdown at 1 has caused disruption throughout lineup

Nothing to do with Rose and everything to do with not be able to find a legitimate starting PG this past off season.

Lonzo Ball should have been their main target from the beginning and, whether he was or not, they obviously failed.

For fook's sake, he popped the question on the hallowed Mecca floor! Respect!

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:It was a good trade at the time. Problem was giving him a 3 year extension

He was see as a mentor.
He is clutch.
He was our MVP last season.
He is injured. Now he is a problem?

He can be let go after next season.

Is this really a problem?

Rose was the mvp? Are you serious

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:It was a good trade at the time. Problem was giving him a 3 year extension

He was see as a mentor.
He is clutch.
He was our MVP last season.
He is injured. Now he is a problem?

He can be let go after next season.

Is this really a problem?

Rose was the mvp? Are you serious

I suppose I got into one of those "NYKMentality" listing rants and got a bit carried away?
but, as good as Randle was, Drose entry to the team was like a retroRocket booster that carried us further. I know there is a lot of sourness on our 1-4 loss to ATL and we blame Randle but I don't see it that way.
I think we made a hard ceiling crash into a very good team (last year at that time) that was ATL.

I think if we see propulsion to 4th seed and the subsequent disappoint that is at or near .500 this season as a curse then it is.
I see as 10 steps forward from Fiz, and two steps back. If you don't know the next steps (the future) then its really hard for anyone to feel good.
Fans want to sit back like NYKmentality and see a path and feel good about it. It don't always look that way. some hated Thibs coming here becuase they only remember the bad losses he had when he was fired from Bulls and Wolves.
He elevated both franchises. Maybe thats his job here, to elevate then we get stuck and have to elevate again without him? The future will tell the story.