jaydh wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Pacers Looking For Two First Round Picks For Myles Turner and/or One 1st round pick + a talented youth.

I'd send them one 1st round pick and Deuce McBride.

what if it cost Obi+filler+1st for Turner?

I'm probably a no, but I warm to this idea more and more. If they would go for Obi and second I'm probably in. I am a huge Obi fan but I really do like the combo of Randle and Turner. I feel like Obi has a higher ceiling than Turner but Turner is proven.

Jimbo5 wrote:Dallas having some buyers remorse in this improbable trade.

Knicks sends Evan, Noel and burks for Poor-zingis and Bronson plus 2 more 1st rounders.

😂

How may 1st rounders will it take for knicks fans to consider a trade for the Poor-zingis brothers? 😂

I’d rather get a blood transfusion from Magic Johnson

Philc1 wrote:

jaydh wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Pacers Looking For Two First Round Picks For Myles Turner and/or One 1st round pick + a talented youth.

I'd send them one 1st round pick and Deuce McBride.

what if it cost Obi+filler+1st for Turner?

smackeddog wrote:

jaydh wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Pacers Looking For Two First Round Picks For Myles Turner and/or One 1st round pick + a talented youth.

I'd send them one 1st round pick and Deuce McBride.

what if it cost Obi+filler+1st for Turner?

Pacers tweeted Miles Turner is having a second opinion on his foot soreness, so expect his exaggerated value to go down!

Foot injuries are a huge red flag. Grant Hill says hi

Grant Hill's ankle says Hi to you.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:How about a D'Angelo Russell deal for Obie, Quickly, and ballast?

D'Angelo is alright player, but he doesn't create the rim pressure Thibs seems to prefer from his lead guards. Plus he makes a lot of money. Pass!

Yes, but he may be available at the right price. A player in the right situation at the right time.

Russell is expendable for Minny. The fact that he makes a lot of money is nbd.

Assuming no other 'dream' PG options are available - why not?

I have to say that watching Brunson the other night was somewhat disappointing. I simply was not impressed by his play notr thought he was an answer to our eternal PG enigma.

Who else? Fox? Sacto is doing a tease to up the ante.

Simmons? What's he cost, what does he actually bring beside a customized head case? And what's he cost again?

And waiting until yet another summer is an opportunity cost. The opportunity being that the early playoff series *can be* a more equal contest than in many years. Even if Russell is acquired as an 'all-in' rental and we part with a few yutes, is having a legitimate run at a ring not worth it?

As fans *WE KNOW* how easy it is to thrash around for years tinkering and going nowhere.

We claim we have a FO.

We claim we have a coach.

Fill in the damned missing link and see what happens. Its a short window not a distant horizon.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:How about a D'Angelo Russell deal for Obie, Quickly, and ballast?

D'Angelo is alright player, but he doesn't create the rim pressure Thibs seems to prefer from his lead guards. Plus he makes a lot of money. Pass!

Yes, but he may be available at the right price. A player in the right situation at the right time.

Russell is expendable for Minny. The fact that he makes a lot of money is nbd.

Assuming no other 'dream' PG options are available - why not?

I have to say that watching Brunson the other night was somewhat disappointing. I simply was not impressed by his play notr thought he was an answer to our eternal PG enigma.

Who else? Fox? Sacto is doing a tease to up the ante.

Simmons? What's he cost, what does he actually bring beside a customized head case? And what's he cost again?

And waiting until yet another summer is an opportunity cost. The opportunity being that the early playoff series *can be* a more equal contest than in many years. Even if Russell is acquired as an 'all-in' rental and we part with a few yutes, is having a legitimate run at a ring not worth it?

As fans *WE KNOW* how easy it is to thrash around for years tinkering and going nowhere.

We claim we have a FO.

We claim we have a coach.

Fill in the damned missing link and see what happens. Its a short window not a distant horizon.

Russell isn't giving this team a legitimate shot at the ring. Neither is Brunson, but he can at least put pressure on the rim and finish. And Russell makes Brunson look Gary Payton defensively. I dunno. Anyway, I'd rather wait until the end of the season for most of the players mentioned, with the exception of Brunson, anyway. I'm not interested in making a panic deal just to lose in the play-in.

Okay. Put the Russell idea to one side.

Let's just treat this season as a set of opportunities.

If we continue along the current trajectory or slightly worse we get a few new draftees none of whom will be, at face value, considered a sure thing. So more yutes on a bench full of yutes. Then there's Free Agency that is as elusive as catching UFOs.

But okay. Maybe we sign a PG. We'll use Brunson as a stub. He pushes down a parade of Current PG candidates.

Who else? If, as you say, Brunson (or whoever) can't put us over this year then when? Next year? Or maybe two years out with another magical thinking FA or draft pick.

See the problem? At some point (why not now?) you have so many assets, why not gamble on making a run?

Or do we just collect shiny assets who keep us at .500 until they burn out or mature?

We want the starphuch. Our FO, MIlls and Aller will grind it out. Media will stir us up to read trade ideas and make more issues than exist.

We sort of fixed our starting unit. Rande, RJ and EF paying very well the last 5-6 games. No trades needed. Execution and chemistry.

When I see Kemba killing it shows the promise of what he could be. If he can’t be that, he is a bit of liabilty. If he can’t shoot, defenders sag off him and his defense suffers if hampered by the knee. Thats why he is either in or out. If it byes time to develop IQ and Deuce, thats ok and happening.

The Reddish trade? We paid little and for the most part he either stays the same, does not improve, or gets much improved. 33% chance of each? Not a given is it? But thats ok. We get a chance/opportunity to get lucky. WE traded a lo 1st round pick whose odds and timeline might not be much better if at all.

Deuce is not there yet. He had one good outing which showed alot. Rookies are inconsistant but at least it showed what can be. At 21 im not saying we give up, but I sure as hell are not letting him grow on the court and lose games. We don’t do that.

Nalod wrote:I would not trade RJ straight up for simmons.
OBI and IQ are not NBA starters yet. So value is not high.

We want the starphuch. Our FO, MIlls and Aller will grind it out. Media will stir us up to read trade ideas and make more issues than exist.

We sort of fixed our starting unit. Rande, RJ and EF paying very well the last 5-6 games. No trades needed. Execution and chemistry.

When I see Kemba killing it shows the promise of what he could be. If he can’t be that, he is a bit of liabilty. If he can’t shoot, defenders sag off him and his defense suffers if hampered by the knee. Thats why he is either in or out. If it byes time to develop IQ and Deuce, thats ok and happening.

The Reddish trade? We paid little and for the most part he either stays the same, does not improve, or gets much improved. 33% chance of each? Not a given is it? But thats ok. We get a chance/opportunity to get lucky. WE traded a lo 1st round pick whose odds and timeline might not be much better if at all.

Deuce is not there yet. He had one good outing which showed alot. Rookies are inconsistant but at least it showed what can be. At 21 im not saying we give up, but I sure as hell are not letting him grow on the court and lose games. We don’t do that.

If we trade RJ for Ben Simmons I’m becoming a nets fan. Holy cow that’s a horrible idea