SergioNYK wrote:I've reached Bargnani level dislike for Fournier.

He's slow and soft.

Panos wrote:With Randle out tonight, I kept my eye on Fournier to see if he could step up, if he was being stifled by Randle's dominance of the ball.
And I finally realized, that he is just not an NBA starting SG.
He doesn't have the speed, nor the handle, nor the awareness of a SG. No mid-range, and can't get to the hoop without being blocked.
If he's not hitting 3's (which he didn't tonight) he's an absolute zero. Worse, he's a negative.
He should be an 8th man at best.
He's gotta sit.
I don't care if they start IQ, or Grimes or Burks, Fournier has no place in the SL.

Which one of those that you mentioned are statistically shooting so MUCH better?
Not disagreeing that EF has played poorly. Nor that the ones mentioned are better defensively.
But we signed him to be a better/replacement shooting option from three. He has shown a history that he can be that player in this league. I believe the job of a good coach is to try to get the most out of his players. And to get them to perform at the level they have shown to be capable of. EF stint in the NBA has shown that he can be a VERY good 3pt shooter. Which btw is a longer stint than let's say IQ and Grimes. Which in the latter is ONE or TWO games. So why are so many surprised with Thibs trying to make that happen? Which is as much as some fans trying to do the same with a first year guy with limited experience.

Do feel something is wrong with him physically and agree that his chance, regardless of injury, is on a Thibs countdown.

knicks1248 wrote:People we were bad without Fournier (who only played 20 min)

We looked completely un prepared last night against OKC, it's as if we read a scouting report and expected them to miss wide open shots.

I don't why some knick fans think mitch is a rim protector,

I would trade Mitch for ALEKSEJ POKUSEVSKI or MUSCALA in a heart beat, more so because we already have Noel

Well when Gilgeous-Alexander gets away with 30+ travels in a single game no one is defending that

Panos wrote:Tonight: your starting SG:
22 mins, 0 points
Shit that ****er

Exactly. Shit. That. Fucker.

Knixkik wrote:No doubt the Knicks have a major Evan Fournier problem. In most situations you just move him to the second unit eventually and give him the freedom to do more against second units. But the Knicks bench when healthy is rose, IQ and Burks at the 1,2, and 3, and Fournier doesn’t fit there. Moving Burks into the starting lineup is clearly counterproductive. Knicks probably never sign Fournier if they get kemba first. The idea is to get the offense going, but when Fournier turns into this player most nights, suddenly it pulls the Knicks away from their identity with nothing to make up for it. If nothing changes fast, knicks probably need to attach a first round pick to Fournier for a trade and replace him with an energy wing who can play defense and make open shots. Kind of like Bullock. Or maybe Grimes is that player. It has to be an energy player though who can infect the starting 5 to keep the energy high.

What's so wrong about Burks as a starting SG? Starting PG, no. He's not a floor general or a good distributor. But he can shoot, and defend.

Panos wrote:

Knixkik wrote:No doubt the Knicks have a major Evan Fournier problem. In most situations you just move him to the second unit eventually and give him the freedom to do more against second units. But the Knicks bench when healthy is rose, IQ and Burks at the 1,2, and 3, and Fournier doesn’t fit there. Moving Burks into the starting lineup is clearly counterproductive. Knicks probably never sign Fournier if they get kemba first. The idea is to get the offense going, but when Fournier turns into this player most nights, suddenly it pulls the Knicks away from their identity with nothing to make up for it. If nothing changes fast, knicks probably need to attach a first round pick to Fournier for a trade and replace him with an energy wing who can play defense and make open shots. Kind of like Bullock. Or maybe Grimes is that player. It has to be an energy player though who can infect the starting 5 to keep the energy high.

What's so wrong about Burks as a starting SG? Starting PG, no. He's not a floor general or a good distributor. But he can shoot, and defend.

Burks is awesome. Just doesn’t seem to have that same impact as a starter. He’s also a player who has an extensive injury history. He’s so good off the bench. I’d rather keep him in the role he excels in.