martin wrote:Jonas Valanciunas and Brandon Ingram are the NOP best 2 players right now?

I don't watch them at all but RJ and scrubs don't seem to match up.

Who you calling scrubs?

Ingram is one of the players I have always thought has a high ceiling and has stayed under the radar recently. Thought the Lakers gave up on him way too early.
However, as you said, no way Pels give him up for the ones mentioned. I think the trade makes more sense if Randle could be included. It would also avoid the Knicks dealing with the problem of fitting Randle and Ingram together. Considering they both like to take 25 shots a game. This may be the reason, if Zion was healthy, why the Pels would consider moving on from Ingram.

Not sure if the Knicks are willing to move on from Randle in the middle of the season. Think they will not make a drastic move unless it is for an All Star PG. See Knicks adding small pieces that can complement the current roster.

Fans harp all over Randle's playoff struggles last year but Ingram isn't even GOOD enough to lead his teams to the playoffs (like R.J. and Julius Randle did last year).

Trading our talented youth of potential? For Brandon Ingram? Who's current injured with some type of Achilles injury? Is this a joke?

KnickDanger wrote:In the grand Knicks (fans, posters, media) tradition -- sell low. If by a miracle these trades happen, they can then hate on the new player(s) and propose trades of them packaged for all stars. Rinse, repeat.

Exactly.

These same fans screaming for Myles Turner and Brandon Ingram would've been the same angry NY fans hating Turner for 7 years with 5 1st round exits, no playoffs last year and tanking this year.

These same fans screaming for Brandon Ingram? 2nd overall pick? Now 6th year? Only 1 All-Star selection? First 6 years = 5 below .500 losing seasons, 0 playoff appearances, injury prone and in year #6? Currently leading another one of HIS tank teams? These New York fans would've attacked and ran Ingram out of town many of years ago.

Turner would become the new Mitch and attacked by NY fans and Ingram would become the new Julius Randle and murdered by NY fans.

NYKMentality wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:In the grand Knicks (fans, posters, media) tradition -- sell low. If by a miracle these trades happen, they can then hate on the new player(s) and propose trades of them packaged for all stars. Rinse, repeat.

Exactly.

These same fans screaming for Myles Turner and Brandon Ingram would've been the same angry NY fans hating Turner for 7 years with 5 1st round exits, no playoffs last year and tanking this year.

These same fans screaming for Brandon Ingram? 2nd overall pick? Now 6th year? Only 1 All-Star selection? First 6 years = 5 below .500 losing seasons, 0 playoff appearances, injury prone and in year #6? Currently leading another one of HIS tank teams? These New York fans would've attacked and ran Ingram out of town many of years ago.

Turner would become the new Mitch and attacked by NY fans and Ingram would become the new Julius Randle and murdered by NY fans.

This fan screaming for Turner believes that his skill set is exactly what the Knicks need. He does EVERYTHING that Robinson and Noel PLUS he can post up and shoot from outside. He is the upgrade, in that position, that the Knicks need that will open the paint up for Randle and RJ Barrett.
If you noticed during last years playoffs, Capela was able to play "free safety" and play help defense on Randle because of Noel lack of offensive game. A player like Turner will prevent that from happening.

As for Ingram, A genuine good person (had the pleasure of watching him play once in HS and has a good rep) but that's a big contract from someone who, IMO, is not in that top tier of NBA players.

Knixkik wrote:I don’t see New Orleans making a move like that, even if Barrett and Zion are close friends. The upgrades I’m keeping an eye on are Harrison Barnes and Jerami Grant. Both are 2-way players who improve the Knicks defense while still giving good perimeter offense as an upgrade to Fournier. Knicks might be able to get one of them.

Like this idea. Think they would fit much better with our roster. The question is what would it take to get either of those two. Still feel we need that glue guy. We had Bullock last year. Bulls got Caruso. Or perhaps we already have one in one of our yoots?

NYKMentality wrote:

wargames wrote:I rather not make a trade to build around Randle because he is playing bad. I also don;t think the Pelicans are as ;all in on Zion; as the media portrays. He;s been injured and fat, and if he doesnt work out they are going to likely try to build around Ingram.

They should be trying to trade Randle and fix some other issues and get assets back.

But why would N.O. want to build around Brandon Ingram?

Hasn't Ingram been in the league for now 6 years with 5 losing seasons of below .500 tank years and also the leader of a tank team here in year #6 after being drafted 2nd overall?

Why is it only ok to criticize and trash Knicks players like R.J. and Julius but yet guys like Ingram/Turner and plenty of others get free passes by our fan base without the same "treatment"?

It's weird.

Wake me up when after his 7th year Myles Turner leads his Pacers out of the 1st round (he's 0/6).

Wake me up when Ingram has a winning season because he's 0/5 and soon to be 0/6 after his tank season this year.

Then and only then can I entertain the idea of "trading for them".

I actually like RJ and wouldn’t want to trade him for Ingram either. I don’t think Ingram is a great untouchable player. I think he is on par with a Randle as a all star level talent, It’s just, if Zion stays on the path he is, they can build around Ingram to maybe be a playoff team. Sort of like the Knicks were trying to do around Randle.

I rather the Knicks look to trade Randle. They actually have some pretty good young pieces and moving Randle would not just give guys like Obi more minutes. They might be able to get pieces that fit better with the rest of the team. Specifically I think they need to model the starters after the bench and look to be more a transition team, with multiple ball handlers in the back court, AND demand defense from everyone.

NYKMentality wrote:Lakers of 2016 = 26-56
Lakers of 2017 = 35-47.
Lakers of 2018 = 37-45.
New Orleans of 2019 = 30-42.
New Orleans of 2020 = 31-41.
New Orleans of 2021 = 13-22.

Fans harp all over Randle's playoff struggles last year but Ingram isn't even GOOD enough to lead his teams to the playoffs (like R.J. and Julius Randle did last year).

Trading our talented youth of potential? For Brandon Ingram? Who's current injured with some type of Achilles injury? Is this a joke?

Have you seen him play on a consistent basis? The kid can play. If we used this type of criteria to claim a player is good or not then 95% of the players in the league would be considered a waste of time. But..... I do agree that Ingram does not make us better if traded for Randle. We would still be in need of other pieces to move the needle. So why would the Knicks do that?
Middle of the season? Also agree that Ingram for R.J makes little sense in terms of fit. It would also deplete the roster as we would have to include many other pieces. The mention of Randle was to oppose the thought that the Pels would not want a major piece included. ie Randle.

Do not see Rose doing anything big. If last year is indicative of his mo, major moves will not be made in the middle of the year. I am hoping that we take on some salary dumps/ draft assets and add good vets that can be the piece that puts our first unit together.