Also, he just turned 27 and looks like he’s 37 and he always looks high. Our cap is cooked for the next two years. We have two 1st rd picks this year and next year. It’s time to trade the vets and play the youth. We have some nice young pieces. They are still a little raw and need minutes and coaching. We have good assistant coaches, let’s get this done. Randle is a fraud. His lack of effort is unacceptable. Fournier and Kemba are losing players. It’s time to move on.

And this is not a tanking thread. Our young players play better together. They play as a team and they play with energy. They have earned their chance to play more meaningful minutes.

Merry Christmas, rant off.

But it turned out to be a big fluke. Randle is not it. I can take shooting slumps or string of bad games. It happens. But the lack of effort, energy and poor body language I cannot. There is still time for him to rewrite this season and finish strong but I haven't seen anything from him that suggests it'll happen.

I think we were duped.

Career points per game = 17.5 (he's scoring 19.8 this year).

Career rebounds per game = 9.2 (he's rebounding 9.8 this year)..

Career assists per game = 3.4 (he's assisting 5.1 this year).

Only his FG% and 3PT% are down this year and yes, he's struggling shooting the ball but I'm 100% confident that Julius Randle is going to turn up the heat and get his shooting numbers up.

We're lucky to have him as an NY Knicks ball player because he takes the pressure off of all of our younger kids. I personally love his game.

KnickDanger wrote:

VDesai wrote:He lost his confidence on 3 pointers. I don't know where he got it from last year, but it starts there. Everytime he misses one we give up a fast break. When he doesn't make them they send a smaller body on him and make him put it on the floor so he gives the D more turnovers. More fast breaks. The missed 3s and the turnovers are where the D has broken down.

Yep -- made his 3's today and what happens....

25 points.
12 rebounds.
3 assists.
1 steal.
9/15 FG.
6/9 3PT.

Imo it's both disgusting and pathetic how quickly NY fans have turned on Julius Randle.

We don't sniff the playoffs last year without him and we wouldn't have even 5 wins without him this year.

He's the perfect veteran leader for our young kids because he takes ALL OF THE N.Y. PRESSURE off of them.

jskinny35 wrote:Imo it's both disgusting and pathetic how quickly NY fans have turned on Julius Randle.

We don't sniff the playoffs last year without him and we wouldn't have even 5 wins without him this year.

He's the perfect veteran leader for our young kids because he takes ALL OF THE N.Y. PRESSURE off of them.

Super - he had a great game against a depleted Hawks team and shot very well. Where was this post the previous 20 games? Yes, he does deserve respect and he does take the pressure off the younger guys. Problem is he struggles to move the ball most of the time and plays slow paced. Other problems include he's inconsistent with his defensive effort, overall hustle and has tunnel vision much of the time. So while we should celebrate any Knicks win we should also not be fooled to look at a good game vs the inconsistency we've watched the previous 25 or so games. I'd love him as the 3rd offensive option (not his fault). Ideally he'd be perfect off the bench on a higher level team.

And for the record - I soured on Randle (and Thibs offense) about 5-10 games into last season when he was shooting very well from outside. The previous season when he was a bust didn't bother me as much as he was adjusting and we had a different coach/system. When he came back and shot well last season - many thought he was the second coming and would be our playoff star. Shooting comes and goes but continued effort, court vision/IQ, hustling on defense and ball movers are what endear me to certain players. While I'm an RJ supporter he needs to improve in this area and make quicker decisions with the ball.

The issue is Knicks fans believed the hype that Randle had somehow transformed into Karl Malone permanently after last season. He had a really good season but it was a contract year aberration

That said, he can still be an effective leader for us. Hitting his perimeter shots and cutting down on turnovers certainly helps

NYKMentality wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

VDesai wrote:He lost his confidence on 3 pointers. I don't know where he got it from last year, but it starts there. Everytime he misses one we give up a fast break. When he doesn't make them they send a smaller body on him and make him put it on the floor so he gives the D more turnovers. More fast breaks. The missed 3s and the turnovers are where the D has broken down.

Yep -- made his 3's today and what happens....

25 points.
12 rebounds.
3 assists.
1 steal.
9/15 FG.
6/9 3PT.

Imo it's both disgusting and pathetic how quickly NY fans have turned on Julius Randle.

We don't sniff the playoffs last year without him and we wouldn't have even 5 wins without him this year.

He's the perfect veteran leader for our young kids because he takes ALL OF THE N.Y. PRESSURE off of them.

Obi is the new Frank. Anyone that takes his minutes is the enemy with these fans. Can just see Obi starting and shooting air balls from three and getting abused by bigger PFs. Only to have these fans make excuses like how "he hustles on every play". Or did you see "What a dunk" he had. And if we kept losing they would go with "at least this is fun to watch" F that. Tired of the young hopefulls parade. Tired of the losing. Don't care about the long shot Linsanity type. These kids are getting there chance. The good ones are earning their way. Obi, Grimes are part of the rotation and I am confident will continue to improve and get expanded roles. I trust Thibs in knowing who gives us the best chance to win. Especially since he sees what goes on in practice as well. If not for Thins we would have paraded Frank, Iggy, Harper, Pelle and Smith Jr out there last year with yet another year of nothing but losing and fans sad realization that their picks were just not that good.

Fans like their own dreams over the reality of a good player. Randle is not perfect but he is our best player and we need him to continue to improve. So unless anyone here can name someone on our team that can score almost 20 and get almost 10 boards nightly(historical data please), you may want to let Thibs do his job.