But beyond that we have the players here as is to be good.

It’s up to thibs to get the player rotations right. But I think Noel starting with Robinson off the bench is a lock

I also think we should reconsider not playing kemba. Too good to bench. Defense seemed fine last night

We get back 5 good players— we just need to get the chemistry right

Does that mean Barrett too bench? Not sure

But it’s bthink we still have the pieces to be a good team

We’re Bette than 13-17

Let me see mitch play like that for a month, then we can have a discussion .

His stamina has been an issue since day 1, still can't pass, run, shoot, post up, or rebound.

I would still prefer to see a starting unit of

Randle
Rj
Burks
Fourmier
Kemba

This way Randle has shooters all around him and you can't just double him every time he touches the ball

Mitch or Noel
Obi
grimes
IQ
rose

Mitch is not much of a rim runner, but he at least runs harder with the bench unit than the starters.

I would still include noel or Mitch for Turner in any trade package

knicks1248 wrote:The Piston look like a G league squad, they had no center, no PF, in fact they had no player over 6 10" and that's if you include Luka Garza (who)that played 4 min

Let me see mitch play like that for a month, then we can have a discussion .

His stamina has been an issue since day 1, still can't pass, run, shoot, post up, or rebound.

I would still prefer to see a starting unit of

Randle
Rj
Burks
Fourmier
Kemba

This way Randle has shooters all around him and you can't just double him every time he touches the ball

Mitch or Noel
Obi
grimes
IQ
rose

Mitch is not much of a rim runner, but he at least runs harder with the bench unit than the starters.

I would still include noel or Mitch for Turner in any trade package

In NBA2k, I like this lineup and might try it when I get home. This works on a video game because you control Randle's defense and for the most part, Randle's defense on xbox will look better than real life.

Did you even watch the entire game? Mitch impact goes beyond stats. This is where analytics will get you in trouble, just like it did for Thibs, when he decided to bench Kemba. You have to look at the game and really focus on how Mitch impacted the game. Randle would NEVER provide what Mitch can provide. And at this point, I think it's wrong to even make Randle the focal point. I'm convince, Randle is a great complimentary piece. He's not a center or SF unfortunately, like most PFs today. But Randle can dominate the PF spot.

You seems to think Basketball is all about offense, and this is where I disagree. You can win games on defense alone. And during the playoffs, you need that half court rim protector, especially this team, since Fournier and Kemba continue to escort their man to the rim. I'm glad we had Mitch back there waiting, instead of Randle. If Randle played center, we would've lost yesterday.

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The Piston look like a G league squad, they had no center, no PF, in fact they had no player over 6 10" and that's if you include Luka Garza (who)that played 4 min

Let me see mitch play like that for a month, then we can have a discussion .

His stamina has been an issue since day 1, still can't pass, run, shoot, post up, or rebound.

I would still prefer to see a starting unit of

Randle
Rj
Burks
Fourmier
Kemba

This way Randle has shooters all around him and you can't just double him every time he touches the ball

Mitch or Noel
Obi
grimes
IQ
rose

Mitch is not much of a rim runner, but he at least runs harder with the bench unit than the starters.

I would still include noel or Mitch for Turner in any trade package

In NBA2k, I like this lineup and might try it when I get home. This works on a video game because you control Randle's defense and for the most part, Randle's defense on xbox will look better than real life.

Did you even watch the entire game? Mitch impact goes beyond stats. This is where analytics will get you in trouble, just like it did for Thibs, when he decided to bench Kemba. You have to look at the game and really focus on how Mitch impacted the game. Randle would NEVER provide what Mitch can provide. And at this point, I think it's wrong to even make Randle the focal point. I'm convince, Randle is a great complimentary piece. He's not a center or SF unfortunately, like most PFs today. But Randle can dominate the PF spot.

You seems to think Basketball is all about offense, and this is where I disagree. You can win games on defense alone. And during the playoffs, you need that half court rim protector, especially this team, since Fournier and Kemba continue to escort their man to the rim. I'm glad we had Mitch back there waiting, instead of Randle. If Randle played center, we would've lost yesterday.

we have a losing record, slowest pace in the NBA....Mitch and Noel have proven to be unreliable

We would have stuck with bullock and Payton if defense matter that much, even wally said in last nights telecast that a good offense will always beat a good defense...You can't defend speed and ball movement....see the Suns, see the GSW

Go ahead and name the TOP 16 NBA centers in the league and tell me which one is Mitch or noel better than.

This is a small ball league everybody and they mother knows that.

Go look at the 2022 NBA mock Draft, there's like 2 centers in the entire 1st rounds and less than 6 in the entire 60 player draft, and all of them can shoot perimeter shots

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

If the game is about pace and space, how do they contribute to that?

It's called position less basketball. And I've said this years ago, the center and PG positions will be extinct. Which means, the nba is slowly going away from centers and typical pass first PG, to position less players.

Detroit is an example of position less nba players. And Mitch handled them pretty easy and looked like an all-star against Detroit. So even though we are going away from centers and PGs, doesn't mean that's a permanent thing. I believe it only takes an old school center to dominate. Or an old school PG like Paul to dominate. In fact, the Suns currently have the best record and their team is built around an old school center and PG. So it really depends. I think the Suns is showing the NBA how affective you can be with a slow rim protector and Chris Paul. It's a copy cat league and eventually the Suns will force teams to rethink their roster.

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The Piston look like a G league squad, they had no center, no PF, in fact they had no player over 6 10" and that's if you include Luka Garza (who)that played 4 min

Let me see mitch play like that for a month, then we can have a discussion .

His stamina has been an issue since day 1, still can't pass, run, shoot, post up, or rebound.

I would still prefer to see a starting unit of

Randle
Rj
Burks
Fourmier
Kemba

This way Randle has shooters all around him and you can't just double him every time he touches the ball

Mitch or Noel
Obi
grimes
IQ
rose

Mitch is not much of a rim runner, but he at least runs harder with the bench unit than the starters.

I would still include noel or Mitch for Turner in any trade package

In NBA2k, I like this lineup and might try it when I get home. This works on a video game because you control Randle's defense and for the most part, Randle's defense on xbox will look better than real life.

Did you even watch the entire game? Mitch impact goes beyond stats. This is where analytics will get you in trouble, just like it did for Thibs, when he decided to bench Kemba. You have to look at the game and really focus on how Mitch impacted the game. Randle would NEVER provide what Mitch can provide. And at this point, I think it's wrong to even make Randle the focal point. I'm convince, Randle is a great complimentary piece. He's not a center or SF unfortunately, like most PFs today. But Randle can dominate the PF spot.

You seems to think Basketball is all about offense, and this is where I disagree. You can win games on defense alone. And during the playoffs, you need that half court rim protector, especially this team, since Fournier and Kemba continue to escort their man to the rim. I'm glad we had Mitch back there waiting, instead of Randle. If Randle played center, we would've lost yesterday.

we have a losing record, slowest pace in the NBA....Mitch and Noel have proven to be unreliable

We would have stuck with bullock and Payton if defense matter that much, even wally said in last nights telecast that a good offense will always beat a good defense...You can't defend speed and ball movement....see the Suns, see the GSW

Go ahead and name the TOP 16 NBA centers in the league and tell me which one is Mitch or noel better than.

This is a small ball league everybody and they mother knows that.

Go look at the 2022 NBA mock Draft, there's like 2 centers in the entire 1st rounds and less than 6 in the entire 60 player draft, and all of them can shoot perimeter shots

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

If the game is about pace and space, how do they contribute to that?

It's called position less basketball. And I've said this years ago, the center and PG positions will be extinct. Which means, the nba is slowly going away from centers and typical pass first PG, to position less players.

Detroit is an example of position less nba players. And Mitch handled them pretty easy and looked like an all-star against Detroit. So even though we are going away from centers and PGs, doesn't mean that's a permanent thing. I believe it only takes an old school center to dominate. Or an old school PG like Paul to dominate. In fact, the Suns currently have the best record and their team is built around an old school center and PG. So it really depends. I think the Suns is showing the NBA how affective you can be with a slow rim protector and Chris Paul. It's a copy cat league and eventually the Suns will force teams to rethink their roster.

Ayton is a #1 picks and nowhere near a traditional Center, and he has the luxury of having a HOF pg( who most knicks fans didn't want to trade for), and a super star SG, who is deadly from the perimeter..

Even when CP played with D Jordan on the clippers, how for did they get.

You want to know why the Lakers struggle, D Howard, D Jordan, and a Defense Coach with no offensive creativity

You want to know why the Knicks struggle Mitch, Noel and a Defensive coach with no offensive creativity.

If you can't play at least 2 positions in the NBA your Toast, a bench player that can easily be replace, we saw that last yr on the knicks, and You saw A/D play center and win a chip doing it

BRIGGS, I'm just wondering, are you bipolar?

Howsabout we tone it down a bit and notch this up to maybe MitchRob's responding slightly positively to getting benched for Look Ma, no hands Noel and is also trying to avoid playing behind Methuselah Gibson.

Not enough IQ to start.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We have too much cash into Noel. Sims is cheap. Robinson is not worthy or needed going forward. But we do need to find a post that can score and play D

Briggs... 3 weeks ago starting a thread "no interest in keeping Robinson"

stuff like this makes you an impossible read. My 9 year old has more focus. 3 weeks ago he liked Pokeman. Today he still like Pokeman. #proof

But yeah... Mitch has been good off the bench. Except when he's not.

Last night he played like Capella did vs. us in the playoffs last year. Mitch straight up won the game for us. Everyone else was a push at best

Fish mike Robinson was awful 3 weeks ago! He’s lost weight he’s playing with great energy off the bench — looks like a great spot for him and the team. With Noel out I’d consider starting summits and keep Robinson as the bench player albeit w more minutes

Now after watching nights where he puts up 17/14 on 9 shots is he worthy now? You wanted the guy gone 3 weeks ago. 3 weeks