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Knixkik
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12/17/2021  8:21 AM
These last couple games have been a little encouraging because Randle seems to be thinking less, Fournier seemed to at least look the part last night, and obviously McBride has been a revelation. At the end of the day though it’s still the defense that will be the identity of a Thibs team. If Deuce continues to look like a solid distributor, his long term position as starting PG may be a possibility. I was hoping Quickley may grow into it, but Thibs may simply view him as our elite 6th man who will still finish many games and play 30+ mins, like Miami uses Herro. I think the key move is to trade for Myles Turner at this point. Even if it costs Toppin and a 1st round pick or two, Turner would offer the big upgrade at center this team badly needs, and he’s only 25 years old.

With Deuce at the PG and Turner at C, you have your elite defensive cogs at the point of attack and anchoring the defense, which would get Thibs team identify back in line. Randle and Barrett would continue to be the fixtures in the starting lineup, and that other wing starter is the swing position. We can continue to start Fournier to see if he gets back into gear, or slide Burks over to the starting wing. Long term, the path and opportunity would be open for Grimes to take over, or most likely, there is a path to acquiring a star wing who can really be a difference maker that eventually presents itself. I’d love to figure out a way to get Turner without trading toppin, but not sure it’s possible. I don’t want to trade for an aging star. Turner still fits with the age of the core.

C Turner (age 25)
F Randle (age 27)
G/F Barrett (age 21)
G/F Fournier (or another placeholder until star acquisition)
G McBride (age 21)
6th Quickley (age 22)
7th Grimes (age 21)

This is how you build up a core. Knicks can play 5 out, as everyone can shoot threes. There’s a lot of promise here, and I’d have to think a lineup that consists of Turner and Deuce can be a consistent defensive powerhouse.

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12/17/2021  8:55 AM
Mitch had a really good off the bench last night. 17 and 9 doing his thing as a defender not just in low post but also in the perimeter. He bit on a couple fakes early on and that continues to be an issue but overall a very solid game. I love watching him dunk
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12/17/2021  9:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2021  9:04 AM
Philc1 wrote:Mitch had a really good off the bench last night. 17 and 9 doing his thing as a defender not just in low post but also in the perimeter. He bit on a couple fakes early on and that continues to be an issue but overall a very solid game. I love watching him dunk

He can be a piece. I love him as a backup center. He’s not reliable enough health wise as a starter. Would love Turner as the starter and Mitch getting resigned to a contract similar to Noel and be a 18-20 mpg backup to Turner. With Turner, Mitch and Sims we would be set at center for years.

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12/17/2021  9:06 AM
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Mitch had a really good off the bench last night. 17 and 9 doing his thing as a defender not just in low post but also in the perimeter. He bit on a couple fakes early on and that continues to be an issue but overall a very solid game. I love watching him dunk

He can be a piece. I love him as a backup center. He’s not reliable enough health wise as a starter. Would love Turner as the starter and Mitch getting resigned to a contract similar to Noel and be a 18-20 mpg backup to Turner. With Turner, Mitch and Sims we would be set at center for years.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the Mavs and pacers did a KP for Turner deal. KP has stayed healthy just enough to fool some GMs

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12/17/2021  9:21 AM
Philc1 wrote:Mitch had a really good off the bench last night. 17 and 9 doing his thing as a defender not just in low post but also in the perimeter. He bit on a couple fakes early on and that continues to be an issue but overall a very solid game. I love watching him dunk

Don't love watching him fall on the floor though. It's cringy.

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12/17/2021  9:35 AM
Myles Turner would cost Obi.

No thanks.

And Turner is a little overrated.

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12/17/2021  9:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2021  9:36 AM
There is no identity.

The team is legitimately in play for missing the playoffs.

The Julius Randle era needs to end.

RJ ain't got the sauce.

Let Thibs and Rose go somewhere else they can win.

Start the young guys.

Tank for a top 5 pick.

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12/17/2021  9:53 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:There is no identity.

The team is legitimately in play for missing the playoffs.

The Julius Randle era needs to end.

RJ ain't got the sauce.

Let Thibs and Rose go somewhere else they can win.

Start the young guys.

Tank for a top 5 pick.

I love the overreactions. It’s a championship or tank world to many.

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12/17/2021  9:57 AM
SergioNYK wrote:Myles Turner would cost Obi.

No thanks.

And Turner is a little overrated.

I’m not down on Toppin at all. But he’s a 23 year old energy big that doesn’t rebound, defend or shoot at a high level. What’s his path to more? He’s positionally blocked here and really can’t play center. Randle isn’t going anywhere and Toppin is at his peak value in the second year of his rookie contract. I’m not eager to move him, but I’m also not keeping him out of a deal for a starter who is only 2 years older and makes us better at both ends of the floor. Turner does that.

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12/17/2021  10:09 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Mitch had a really good off the bench last night. 17 and 9 doing his thing as a defender not just in low post but also in the perimeter. He bit on a couple fakes early on and that continues to be an issue but overall a very solid game. I love watching him dunk

He can be a piece. I love him as a backup center. He’s not reliable enough health wise as a starter. Would love Turner as the starter and Mitch getting resigned to a contract similar to Noel and be a 18-20 mpg backup to Turner. With Turner, Mitch and Sims we would be set at center for years.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the Mavs and pacers did a KP for Turner deal. KP has stayed healthy just enough to fool some GMs

Rick Carlisle has been on both sides of that KP coin

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12/17/2021  10:11 AM
Knixkik wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Myles Turner would cost Obi.

No thanks.

And Turner is a little overrated.

I’m not down on Toppin at all. But he’s a 23 year old energy big that doesn’t rebound, defend or shoot at a high level. What’s his path to more? He’s positionally blocked here and really can’t play center. Randle isn’t going anywhere and Toppin is at his peak value in the second year of his rookie contract. I’m not eager to move him, but I’m also not keeping him out of a deal for a starter who is only 2 years older and makes us better at both ends of the floor. Turner does that.

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12/17/2021  11:03 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Mitch had a really good off the bench last night. 17 and 9 doing his thing as a defender not just in low post but also in the perimeter. He bit on a couple fakes early on and that continues to be an issue but overall a very solid game. I love watching him dunk

He can be a piece. I love him as a backup center. He’s not reliable enough health wise as a starter. Would love Turner as the starter and Mitch getting resigned to a contract similar to Noel and be a 18-20 mpg backup to Turner. With Turner, Mitch and Sims we would be set at center for years.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the Mavs and pacers did a KP for Turner deal. KP has stayed healthy just enough to fool some GMs

Do you not read anything outside the Knicks or Jets? Carlisle and KP are not on each others christmas list. He is the coach of the Pacers BTW.
With that tidbit, why would he want a reunion?
The best thing about that was KP landed in situation were he is not happy based on his body language. His coach and Star player are not warm and fuzzy. He has to keep his mouth shut as he does not have the leverage he had in NY, nor the cred to pull it off.
It was spoken that he and Luka are more civil they are not exactly buddies on the court. That could be on Luka BTW also.

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12/17/2021  11:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2021  11:11 AM
Knixkik wrote:These last couple games have been a little encouraging because Randle seems to be thinking less, Fournier seemed to at least look the part last night, and obviously McBride has been a revelation. At the end of the day though it’s still the defense that will be the identity of a Thibs team. If Deuce continues to look like a solid distributor, his long term position as starting PG may be a possibility. I was hoping Quickley may grow into it, but Thibs may simply view him as our elite 6th man who will still finish many games and play 30+ mins, like Miami uses Herro. I think the key move is to trade for Myles Turner at this point. Even if it costs Toppin and a 1st round pick or two, Turner would offer the big upgrade at center this team badly needs, and he’s only 25 years old.

With Deuce at the PG and Turner at C, you have your elite defensive cogs at the point of attack and anchoring the defense, which would get Thibs team identify back in line. Randle and Barrett would continue to be the fixtures in the starting lineup, and that other wing starter is the swing position. We can continue to start Fournier to see if he gets back into gear, or slide Burks over to the starting wing. Long term, the path and opportunity would be open for Grimes to take over, or most likely, there is a path to acquiring a star wing who can really be a difference maker that eventually presents itself. I’d love to figure out a way to get Turner without trading toppin, but not sure it’s possible. I don’t want to trade for an aging star. Turner still fits with the age of the core.

C Turner (age 25)
F Randle (age 27)
G/F Barrett (age 21)
G/F Fournier (or another placeholder until star acquisition)
G McBride (age 21)
6th Quickley (age 22)
7th Grimes (age 21)

This is how you build up a core. Knicks can play 5 out, as everyone can shoot threes. There’s a lot of promise here, and I’d have to think a lineup that consists of Turner and Deuce can be a consistent defensive powerhouse.

We’re not trading Toppin. We barely know his ceiling. He will be the better player and Turner isn’t even that good. Toppin is a gym rat and he will continue to improve. Playing 5 out has won Indy how many games? I want a center who sets screens, rebounds and can rim rock in the pnr. It’s way to soon to give up on Mitch. Turner is not the answer

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12/17/2021  11:06 AM
Knixkik wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Myles Turner would cost Obi.

No thanks.

And Turner is a little overrated.

I’m not down on Toppin at all. But he’s a 23 year old energy big that doesn’t rebound, defend or shoot at a high level. What’s his path to more? He’s positionally blocked here and really can’t play center. Randle isn’t going anywhere and Toppin is at his peak value in the second year of his rookie contract. I’m not eager to move him, but I’m also not keeping him out of a deal for a starter who is only 2 years older and makes us better at both ends of the floor. Turner does that.

In the face of the BING BONG fanboys you do bring some truths. Fans are enamored with the effectiveness of the 2nd unit and OBIDunkMania is the flavor of the day.

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12/17/2021  11:34 AM
Nalod wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Myles Turner would cost Obi.

No thanks.

And Turner is a little overrated.

I’m not down on Toppin at all. But he’s a 23 year old energy big that doesn’t rebound, defend or shoot at a high level. What’s his path to more? He’s positionally blocked here and really can’t play center. Randle isn’t going anywhere and Toppin is at his peak value in the second year of his rookie contract. I’m not eager to move him, but I’m also not keeping him out of a deal for a starter who is only 2 years older and makes us better at both ends of the floor. Turner does that.

In the face of the BING BONG fanboys you do bring some truths. Fans are enamored with the effectiveness of the 2nd unit and OBIDunkMania is the flavor of the day.

Toppin is a great finisher and fit with that second unit. I wouldn’t trade him for anything short of a high level starter. But Rose and Quickley are the pair that make the second unit go.

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12/17/2021  11:39 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:There is no identity.

The team is legitimately in play for missing the playoffs.

The Julius Randle era needs to end.

RJ ain't got the sauce.

Let Thibs and Rose go somewhere else they can win.

Start the young guys.

Tank for a top 5 pick.


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12/17/2021  12:00 PM
Nalod wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Myles Turner would cost Obi.

No thanks.

And Turner is a little overrated.

I’m not down on Toppin at all. But he’s a 23 year old energy big that doesn’t rebound, defend or shoot at a high level. What’s his path to more? He’s positionally blocked here and really can’t play center. Randle isn’t going anywhere and Toppin is at his peak value in the second year of his rookie contract. I’m not eager to move him, but I’m also not keeping him out of a deal for a starter who is only 2 years older and makes us better at both ends of the floor. Turner does that.

In the face of the BING BONG fanboys you do bring some truths. Fans are enamored with the effectiveness of the 2nd unit and OBIDunkMania is the flavor of the day.

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12/17/2021  12:10 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Myles Turner would cost Obi.

No thanks.

And Turner is a little overrated.

I’m not down on Toppin at all. But he’s a 23 year old energy big that doesn’t rebound, defend or shoot at a high level. What’s his path to more? He’s positionally blocked here and really can’t play center. Randle isn’t going anywhere and Toppin is at his peak value in the second year of his rookie contract. I’m not eager to move him, but I’m also not keeping him out of a deal for a starter who is only 2 years older and makes us better at both ends of the floor. Turner does that.

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12/17/2021  12:14 PM
jrodmc wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Myles Turner would cost Obi.

No thanks.

And Turner is a little overrated.

I’m not down on Toppin at all. But he’s a 23 year old energy big that doesn’t rebound, defend or shoot at a high level. What’s his path to more? He’s positionally blocked here and really can’t play center. Randle isn’t going anywhere and Toppin is at his peak value in the second year of his rookie contract. I’m not eager to move him, but I’m also not keeping him out of a deal for a starter who is only 2 years older and makes us better at both ends of the floor. Turner does that.

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