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fitzfarm
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12/11/2021  2:04 PM
The kemba for burks change has been a failure by thibs we scored 12 freaking first quarter points vs a bad team in the craptors . The stagnant offense is hard to watch having whoever brings the ball up and just dribble above the 3 point line till there is 7 seconds left on the shot clock is unacceptable only to iso with Randle. If we are going to Iso Randle we should be doing it as soon as possible.

Our defense is a step slow with that starting line up. I don’t want to talk about who we could have went after in free agency… the past is the past and we have the players we have.

We have defensive studs sitting on the bench in grimes and McBride it’s time to use them . McBride is a point guard why aren’t we using him?? Grimes could play the same role as bullock I’m sure of that he even has the ability to put the ball on the floor.

I’d like to see what a line up of:
McBride
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Obi

Can do because why not? You just installed two defensive gems in the line up that spread the floor and a gunner in obi who is breaking out.

The Knicks need to make a trade in my eyes we have to many tweeners there is not enough room to play say a 4 guard line up someone has to sit …

Rose And IQ have to play EF needs to be more of a focal point to be effective but burks needs minutes too and I doubt thibs will ever roll out a 4 guard line up of

Rose
IQ
EF
Burks
Mitch

Again we’re going to have to make a trade.

I think the reason last year was so successful is that we put the perfect team around Randle. As much as I hated payton last year he knew his role and did what he was told. Bullock as well knew his role as a D3 player… burks isn’t a PG and EF isn’t a bullock he needs the ball to create and to be efficient.

As much as people are saying it’s to much Randle this year is it? Because last year everything was run through Randle we just Had a more simplistic roster with very defined roles . I really didn’t like the EF signing we could have saved our money and just resigned bullock. But I think grimes fits that role of bullock even better then bullock. I think McBride can fill the payton roll but even better since he can really shoot the 3 .

If installing McBride, grimes and obi in the SL worked out we’d have a very young core that would be very good for a long time.

As I see it right now and the way that the rotation is we are lottery bound which isn’t a bad thing considering we’re not winning a chip with teams like the suns, warriors, nets, bucks out there .

If we do want to win more now, we need to try something different.
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12/11/2021  2:15 PM
fitzfarm wrote:The kemba for burks change has been a failure by thibs we scored 12 freaking first quarter points vs a bad team in the craptors . The stagnant offense is hard to watch having whoever brings the ball up and just dribble above the 3 point line till there is 7 seconds left on the shot clock is unacceptable only to iso with Randle. If we are going to Iso Randle we should be doing it as soon as possible.

Our defense is a step slow with that starting line up. I don’t want to talk about who we could have went after in free agency… the past is the past and we have the players we have.

We have defensive studs sitting on the bench in grimes and McBride it’s time to use them . McBride is a point guard why aren’t we using him?? Grimes could play the same role as bullock I’m sure of that he even has the ability to put the ball on the floor.

I’d like to see what a line up of:
McBride
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Obi

Can do because why not? You just installed two defensive gems in the line up that spread the floor and a gunner in obi who is breaking out.

The Knicks need to make a trade in my eyes we have to many tweeners there is not enough room to play say a 4 guard line up someone has to sit …

Rose And IQ have to play EF needs to be more of a focal point to be effective but burks needs minutes too and I doubt thibs will ever roll out a 4 guard line up of

Rose
IQ
EF
Burks
Mitch

Again we’re going to have to make a trade.

I think the reason last year was so successful is that we put the perfect team around Randle. As much as I hated payton last year he knew his role and did what he was told. Bullock as well knew his role as a D3 player… burks isn’t a PG and EF isn’t a bullock he needs the ball to create and to be efficient.

As much as people are saying it’s to much Randle this year is it? Because last year everything was run through Randle we just Had a more simplistic roster with very defined roles . I really didn’t like the EF signing we could have saved our money and just resigned bullock. But I think grimes fits that role of bullock even better then bullock. I think McBride can fill the payton roll but even better since he can really shoot the 3 .

If installing McBride, grimes and obi in the SL worked out we’d have a very young core that would be very good for a long time.

As I see it right now and the way that the rotation is we are lottery bound which isn’t a bad thing considering we’re not winning a chip with teams like the suns, warriors, nets, bucks out there .

If we do want to win more now, we need to try something different.


Imma say yes it is. It's not only on him, but he hasn't learned from last year's playoffs. He's making stupid decisions with the ball and he's not shooting the ball nearly as efficiently as he did last year. And I won't even get into the defensive effort...Yes, the roster was simplified and he performed better, but it was fools gold. In the playoffs, where opposing coaches gave time to game plan, Payton couldn't even see the court and Bullock's threat level on offense was Trae Young defense worthy. That would have carried over to this season. I like McBride, but I also like the strides IQ has made as a playmaker. There are no quick fixes this year, so mind as well be patient and let it play out.
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12/11/2021  2:27 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:The kemba for burks change has been a failure by thibs we scored 12 freaking first quarter points vs a bad team in the craptors . The stagnant offense is hard to watch having whoever brings the ball up and just dribble above the 3 point line till there is 7 seconds left on the shot clock is unacceptable only to iso with Randle. If we are going to Iso Randle we should be doing it as soon as possible.

Our defense is a step slow with that starting line up. I don’t want to talk about who we could have went after in free agency… the past is the past and we have the players we have.

We have defensive studs sitting on the bench in grimes and McBride it’s time to use them . McBride is a point guard why aren’t we using him?? Grimes could play the same role as bullock I’m sure of that he even has the ability to put the ball on the floor.

I’d like to see what a line up of:
McBride
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Obi

Can do because why not? You just installed two defensive gems in the line up that spread the floor and a gunner in obi who is breaking out.

The Knicks need to make a trade in my eyes we have to many tweeners there is not enough room to play say a 4 guard line up someone has to sit …

Rose And IQ have to play EF needs to be more of a focal point to be effective but burks needs minutes too and I doubt thibs will ever roll out a 4 guard line up of

Rose
IQ
EF
Burks
Mitch

Again we’re going to have to make a trade.

I think the reason last year was so successful is that we put the perfect team around Randle. As much as I hated payton last year he knew his role and did what he was told. Bullock as well knew his role as a D3 player… burks isn’t a PG and EF isn’t a bullock he needs the ball to create and to be efficient.

As much as people are saying it’s to much Randle this year is it? Because last year everything was run through Randle we just Had a more simplistic roster with very defined roles . I really didn’t like the EF signing we could have saved our money and just resigned bullock. But I think grimes fits that role of bullock even better then bullock. I think McBride can fill the payton roll but even better since he can really shoot the 3 .

If installing McBride, grimes and obi in the SL worked out we’d have a very young core that would be very good for a long time.

As I see it right now and the way that the rotation is we are lottery bound which isn’t a bad thing considering we’re not winning a chip with teams like the suns, warriors, nets, bucks out there .

If we do want to win more now, we need to try something different.


Imma say yes it is. It's not only on him, but he hasn't learned from last year's playoffs. He's making stupid decisions with the ball and he's not shooting the ball nearly as efficiently as he did last year. And I won't even get into the defensive effort...Yes, the roster was simplified and he performed better, but it was fools gold. In the playoffs, where opposing coaches gave time to game plan, Payton couldn't even see the court and Bullock's threat level on offense was Trae Young defense worthy. That would have carried over to this season. I like McBride, but I also like the strides IQ has made as a playmaker. There are no quick fixes this year, so mind as well be patient and let it play out.

I can agree with that and wouldn’t be upset with replacing burks with IQ in the SL. Although I like IQ in the Lou Williams role and would like to see more consistency from 3 point land . IQ could jumpstart the starting unit .
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12/11/2021  2:44 PM
It won't matter who starts, the team will give up talent in the starting lineup no matter who plays. Outside of Randle, who would even start on other teams? Fournier is easily one of the worst contracts in the sport. I hope Scotty Perry gets canned. Easily the worst talent evaluator in the front office. Here is an idea of Knicks Ownership. Don't sign front office people tied to the Kings and Magic. How many bums are we going to sign on Scott Perrys advice? It will cost 2 firsts just to drop him. Barret is okay, but is no star, probably just an average starter. However, at SF he is overmatched. There is no fixing this, I hate to say it, but it's time to start over yet again. Front office blew it this summer. Sunk the team with long term contracts to crappy players.
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12/11/2021  2:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2021  2:49 PM
The thing I don't understand about Thibs is that is he trying his hardest to keep the bench the same. The problem is no matter how good the bench is they are not good enough to constantly dig us out of 20 point holes the starters always put us in. You have to switch things up. I also think he went with the nuclear option right away to bench Kemba outright. Why not switch him with Rose and see how he does off the bench. He could have bought himself some games to test things if he did not try to stick with the original starters for so long when it was obvious they would not work.
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12/11/2021  3:00 PM
Jmpasq wrote:It won't matter who starts, the team will give up talent in the starting lineup no matter who plays. Outside of Randle, who would even start on other teams? Fournier is easily one of the worst contracts in the sport. I hope Scotty Perry gets canned. Easily the worst talent evaluator in the front office. Here is an idea of Knicks Ownership. Don't sign front office people tied to the Kings and Magic. How many bums are we going to sign on Scott Perrys advice? It will cost 2 firsts just to drop him. Barret is okay, but is no star, probably just an average starter. However, at SF he is overmatched. There is no fixing this, I hate to say it, but it's time to start over yet again. Front office blew it this summer. Sunk the team with long term contracts to crappy players.

I think there’s a lot of teams who’s starters wouldn’t be starting on other teams it’s about chemistry. Again the Knicks made it to the 4th seed last year because our chemistry was great not because our starting line up was filled with starting worthy players . Our chemistry won us 17 of our last 20 games .

Sometimes less is more which is why I’m for installing defensive studs in Grimes and McBride. Plus there’s no denying Obi’s breakout and he needs to play 25+ minutes he’s worth a look in the SL .
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12/11/2021  3:29 PM
Clean wrote:The thing I don't understand about Thibs is that is he trying his hardest to keep the bench the same. The problem is no matter how good the bench is they are not good enough to constantly dig us out of 20 point holes the starters always put us in. You have to switch things up. I also think he went with the nuclear option right away to bench Kemba outright. Why not switch him with Rose and see how he does off the bench. He could have bought himself some games to test things if he did not try to stick with the original starters for so long when it was obvious they would not work.

Yes I think thibs is under pressure to keep EF in the starting line up from the front office even though he doesn’t fit. Agreed with Jmpasq Scott Perry deserves to get canned for that move. I think Evan is a good player but just doesn’t fit with the Randle centric offense. He might really flourish in the second unit and I think it’s worth a look . His contract isn’t bad for the talent that is EF he really can be great in the right role or a more prominent role .

Thibs is a obsessive coach he gets obsessed with running through Randle at the cost of the other players … or at the cost of a breakout player like OBI. I think it’s fine to pound the ball through Randle with a simplified line up. But when you have players like EF and Barrett who need the ball to be effective it creates crowding and stagnant situations which is killing us right now.
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12/11/2021  3:41 PM
Clean wrote:The thing I don't understand about Thibs is that is he trying his hardest to keep the bench the same. The problem is no matter how good the bench is they are not good enough to constantly dig us out of 20 point holes the starters always put us in. You have to switch things up. I also think he went with the nuclear option right away to bench Kemba outright. Why not switch him with Rose and see how he does off the bench. He could have bought himself some games to test things if he did not try to stick with the original starters for so long when it was obvious they would not work.

Let's take the opposite question: Why are you so adamant about breaking up a squad that is succeeding and growing at a nice clip? The addition of Rose to the second unit was a boon to the team last year and you are advocating to break that up?

If the starters were doing really well but the bench was not, would you advocate to break up the starting unit, maybe move some of the guys to the bench?

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12/11/2021  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2021  4:59 PM
fitzfarm wrote:The kemba for burks change has been a failure by thibs we scored 12 freaking first quarter points vs a bad team in the craptors . The stagnant offense is hard to watch having whoever brings the ball up and just dribble above the 3 point line till there is 7 seconds left on the shot clock is unacceptable only to iso with Randle. If we are going to Iso Randle we should be doing it as soon as possible.

Our defense is a step slow with that starting line up. I don’t want to talk about who we could have went after in free agency… the past is the past and we have the players we have.

We have defensive studs sitting on the bench in grimes and McBride it’s time to use them . McBride is a point guard why aren’t we using him?? Grimes could play the same role as bullock I’m sure of that he even has the ability to put the ball on the floor.

I’d like to see what a line up of:
McBride
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Obi


If we do want to win more now, we need to try something different.

Do you think both the business side of the NBA and what we know REALITY to be would let this lineup play extensive minutes? The Knicks are not paying big money to FA's so that first-year fan dreams can play instead. In terms of thinking this lineup has a realistic chance of being successful, your lineup has two unproven kids, a second-year guy that cannot shoot (19% 3pt), Randle, and RJ who is not exactly shooting his best thus far. Other than hope what makes you think they will play well? Maybe start with having Grimes and Mcbribe get some time in a few NBA games and see how they do?

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12/11/2021  4:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2021  4:46 PM
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:The thing I don't understand about Thibs is that is he trying his hardest to keep the bench the same. The problem is no matter how good the bench is they are not good enough to constantly dig us out of 20 point holes the starters always put us in. You have to switch things up. I also think he went with the nuclear option right away to bench Kemba outright. Why not switch him with Rose and see how he does off the bench. He could have bought himself some games to test things if he did not try to stick with the original starters for so long when it was obvious they would not work.

Let's take the opposite question: Why are you so adamant about breaking up a squad that is succeeding and growing at a nice clip? The addition of Rose to the second unit was a boon to the team last year and you are advocating to break that up?

If the starters were doing really well but the bench was not, would you advocate to break up the starting unit, maybe move some of the guys to the bench?

Good question and I will gladly answer. The reason is because all I care about are wins. Is the bench amazing as it is currently constructed? Yes. Are they good enough for us to win games? No. So what we have going on right now is too unbalanced and not good enough overall.

My thought process is if we make some changes and whoever we put in the starting lineup can keep playing at a similar clip while who ever is demoted to the bench might be able to produce better we could maybe get more out of the team overall. Remember when Rose was out with an injury? The bench still played really well with IQ running them and pushing the pace with Obi. So what if we make Rose a starter. What if by doing that the starters get down by 10 points instead of the usual 20. The bench can now close the gap and give us a lead instead of just getting us to a tie game. Look at how low my expectations for the starters are. Just give us a 10 point deficit to dig out of instead of 20.

I am not even saying it will work for sure. I am saying we should give it a try. We have nothing to lose because we are not winning right now. We are 3 - 7 in our last 10 games. After going 5 - 1 we are 7 - 13.
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12/11/2021  7:24 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:The kemba for burks change has been a failure by thibs we scored 12 freaking first quarter points vs a bad team in the craptors . The stagnant offense is hard to watch having whoever brings the ball up and just dribble above the 3 point line till there is 7 seconds left on the shot clock is unacceptable only to iso with Randle. If we are going to Iso Randle we should be doing it as soon as possible.

Our defense is a step slow with that starting line up. I don’t want to talk about who we could have went after in free agency… the past is the past and we have the players we have.

We have defensive studs sitting on the bench in grimes and McBride it’s time to use them . McBride is a point guard why aren’t we using him?? Grimes could play the same role as bullock I’m sure of that he even has the ability to put the ball on the floor.

I’d like to see what a line up of:
McBride
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Obi


If we do want to win more now, we need to try something different.

Do you think both the business side of the NBA and what we know REALITY to be would let this lineup play extensive minutes? The Knicks are not paying big money to FA's so that first-year fan dreams can play instead. In terms of thinking this lineup has a realistic chance of being successful, your lineup has two unproven kids, a second-year guy that cannot shoot (19% 3pt), Randle, and RJ who is not exactly shooting his best thus far. Other than hope what makes you think they will play well? Maybe start with having Grimes and Mcbribe get some time in a few NBA games and see how they do?

I understand where your coming from but with that said IQ made a immediate impact as a rookie and the limited floor time Grimes has gotten I’ve liked what I’ve seen he plays great defense and is a sharp shooter. McBride is a great defensive pg who is really tearing up the g league . Obi has been one of our huge bright spots yes he’s shooting 19% from 3 I wish he didn’t even shoot threes but he impacts the game in so many other positive ways.. that’s like saying Randle is a turnover machine he shouldn’t start because of the turnovers.

What’s wrong with trying something drastic when we’ve been so underwhelming starting games on both ends of the floor.the starting line up changes Noel and burks haven’t moved the needle if anything we’ve gotten worse . EF looks completely lost and now unmotivated… RJ was once a huge part of the offense and now isn’t getting the touches he got last year.

Our defense to start games has been laughable at best . Thibs claims you get minutes if you earn it how has the starting unit earned it ? If the second unit is playing better then the starters, then why are the starters starting ? Why aren’t we giving the kids burn IQ got burn last year Obi who was figuring things out got limited burn … what have Grimes and McBride done to get zero burn when the team is playing so poorly.

Again we are playing terrible defense and why were Grimes and McBride drafted because of their defense. The answer might just be that simple give them some burn.
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12/11/2021  8:02 PM
Clean wrote:
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:The thing I don't understand about Thibs is that is he trying his hardest to keep the bench the same. The problem is no matter how good the bench is they are not good enough to constantly dig us out of 20 point holes the starters always put us in. You have to switch things up. I also think he went with the nuclear option right away to bench Kemba outright. Why not switch him with Rose and see how he does off the bench. He could have bought himself some games to test things if he did not try to stick with the original starters for so long when it was obvious they would not work.

Let's take the opposite question: Why are you so adamant about breaking up a squad that is succeeding and growing at a nice clip? The addition of Rose to the second unit was a boon to the team last year and you are advocating to break that up?

If the starters were doing really well but the bench was not, would you advocate to break up the starting unit, maybe move some of the guys to the bench?

Good question and I will gladly answer. The reason is because all I care about are wins. Is the bench amazing as it is currently constructed? Yes. Are they good enough for us to win games? No. So what we have going on right now is too unbalanced and not good enough overall.

My thought process is if we make some changes and whoever we put in the starting lineup can keep playing at a similar clip while who ever is demoted to the bench might be able to produce better we could maybe get more out of the team overall. Remember when Rose was out with an injury? The bench still played really well with IQ running them and pushing the pace with Obi. So what if we make Rose a starter. What if by doing that the starters get down by 10 points instead of the usual 20. The bench can now close the gap and give us a lead instead of just getting us to a tie game. Look at how low my expectations for the starters are. Just give us a 10 point deficit to dig out of instead of 20.

I am not even saying it will work for sure. I am saying we should give it a try. We have nothing to lose because we are not winning right now. We are 3 - 7 in our last 10 games. After going 5 - 1 we are 7 - 13.

Kevin McHale eventually started! I'm with you- any other coach, watching production from players like IQ, Obi, Rose and seeing first hand the struggles of the starters would absolutely switch players around.
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I agree. It's not like it can get any worse. Next man up
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martin wrote:
Clean wrote:The thing I don't understand about Thibs is that is he trying his hardest to keep the bench the same. The problem is no matter how good the bench is they are not good enough to constantly dig us out of 20 point holes the starters always put us in. You have to switch things up. I also think he went with the nuclear option right away to bench Kemba outright. Why not switch him with Rose and see how he does off the bench. He could have bought himself some games to test things if he did not try to stick with the original starters for so long when it was obvious they would not work.

Let's take the opposite question: Why are you so adamant about breaking up a squad that is succeeding and growing at a nice clip? The addition of Rose to the second unit was a boon to the team last year and you are advocating to break that up?

If the starters were doing really well but the bench was not, would you advocate to break up the starting unit, maybe move some of the guys to the bench?

I agree with you, but this isn’t last years team or SL. Elf and Bullock were solid glue guys. Sure they could’ve score in the clutch or missed open layups. Sure did. But they understood their role and played their role which helped RJ and Randle dominate while Mitch roam the paint or doing alley oop players. EF and Kemba either didn’t understand their role or couldn’t live up to their expected roles.

Also if the bench are the future and the future is playing better than the current? Thibs needs to let the youngsters finish games instead of bringing Randle back in, on the next 20 pt blowout / comeback lost. I rather that be a on the job learning moment for the bench who will eventually be starters soon. What if grimes and Obi can close out games now. Imagine what they could do next season. Keep seeing this lack luster start, it might be time for the early youth movement.

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12/12/2021  4:07 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:The kemba for burks change has been a failure by thibs we scored 12 freaking first quarter points vs a bad team in the craptors . The stagnant offense is hard to watch having whoever brings the ball up and just dribble above the 3 point line till there is 7 seconds left on the shot clock is unacceptable only to iso with Randle. If we are going to Iso Randle we should be doing it as soon as possible.

Our defense is a step slow with that starting line up. I don’t want to talk about who we could have went after in free agency… the past is the past and we have the players we have.

We have defensive studs sitting on the bench in grimes and McBride it’s time to use them . McBride is a point guard why aren’t we using him?? Grimes could play the same role as bullock I’m sure of that he even has the ability to put the ball on the floor.

I’d like to see what a line up of:
McBride
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Obi


If we do want to win more now, we need to try something different.

Do you think both the business side of the NBA and what we know REALITY to be would let this lineup play extensive minutes? The Knicks are not paying big money to FA's so that first-year fan dreams can play instead. In terms of thinking this lineup has a realistic chance of being successful, your lineup has two unproven kids, a second-year guy that cannot shoot (19% 3pt), Randle, and RJ who is not exactly shooting his best thus far. Other than hope what makes you think they will play well? Maybe start with having Grimes and Mcbribe get some time in a few NBA games and see how they do?

I understand where your coming from but with that said IQ made a immediate impact as a rookie and the limited floor time Grimes has gotten I’ve liked what I’ve seen he plays great defense and is a sharp shooter. McBride is a great defensive pg who is really tearing up the g league . Obi has been one of our huge bright spots yes he’s shooting 19% from 3 I wish he didn’t even shoot threes but he impacts the game in so many other positive ways.. that’s like saying Randle is a turnover machine he shouldn’t start because of the turnovers.

What’s wrong with trying something drastic when we’ve been so underwhelming starting games on both ends of the floor.the starting line up changes Noel and burks haven’t moved the needle if anything we’ve gotten worse . EF looks completely lost and now unmotivated… RJ was once a huge part of the offense and now isn’t getting the touches he got last year.

Our defense to start games has been laughable at best . Thibs claims you get minutes if you earn it how has the starting unit earned it ? If the second unit is playing better then the starters, then why are the starters starting ? Why aren’t we giving the kids burn IQ got burn last year Obi who was figuring things out got limited burn … what have Grimes and McBride done to get zero burn when the team is playing so poorly.

Again we are playing terrible defense and why were Grimes and McBride drafted because of their defense. The answer might just be that simple give them some burn.

Main point was that it's hard to justify a drastic change with only a quarter of the season played. Reason why I was against Kemba being vanished. As Grimes showed today, chances will be there for guys to prove themselves. No reason that guys getting it done in practice should not be given a chance. But feel that is for later in the season. Hard to agree that scraping your pre season plan and vetted FA's this early in the season seems rational

I am also cautious in putting too much value in young players spot highlights and assuming that will transfer to a consistent win total. (Ie. Knox hitting a bunch of three's his first season and thinking he will be a star)

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12/13/2021  10:04 AM
Why is it that we play at the pace we play at, for a coach with a limited offensive game plan you would think he would tells his team to turn it up.

When was the last time Randle or Mitch caught an ally oop for dunk or easy lay up...

How is that OBI can get 3 to 4 of those with in his limited minutes and Randle, Mitch or Noel have a hand full (combine) for the season.

I never once see Thibs telling Randle or any of our ball handlers to push the ball..

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12/13/2021  10:33 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Why is it that we play at the pace we play at, for a coach with a limited offensive game plan you would think he would tells his team to turn it up.

When was the last time Randle or Mitch caught an ally oop for dunk or easy lay up...

How is that OBI can get 3 to 4 of those with in his limited minutes and Randle, Mitch or Noel have a hand full (combine) for the season.

I never once see Thibs telling Randle or any of our ball handlers to push the ball..

The offense goes through Randle and he's not a playmaker that thrives in transition. You can make the case he isn't a playmaker at all. Honestly, which guard on the roster consistently pushes the ball outside of IQ and Rose? And Rose is 505 years old.

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BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Why is it that we play at the pace we play at, for a coach with a limited offensive game plan you would think he would tells his team to turn it up.

When was the last time Randle or Mitch caught an ally oop for dunk or easy lay up...

How is that OBI can get 3 to 4 of those with in his limited minutes and Randle, Mitch or Noel have a hand full (combine) for the season.

I never once see Thibs telling Randle or any of our ball handlers to push the ball..

The offense goes through Randle and he's not a playmaker that thrives in transition. You can make the case he isn't a playmaker at all. Honestly, which guard on the roster consistently pushes the ball outside of IQ and Rose? And Rose is 505 years old.

Pushing the pace doesn't required you to need a speedy guards, the Pacers, Raptors and Bucks don't have fast players by any stretch, yet they were scoring within 7 seconds of the shot clock by just moving the ball and moving themselves...

We have got to be the only team in the NBA still trying to post up on like 75% of our possessions when Randle's in the game, like this isn't the Damn Ewing ERA..

When was the last time you seen a smooth PnR with anyone of our Bigs (not name OBI).

You can never Run a PNR with Randle and Mitch or Noel...like EVER EVER, because everybody in the world knows Mitch and Noel are rolling to the basket, super easy to defend, which leave Randle to take a bad jump shot, bad late pass, or stripped....

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knicks1248 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Why is it that we play at the pace we play at, for a coach with a limited offensive game plan you would think he would tells his team to turn it up.

When was the last time Randle or Mitch caught an ally oop for dunk or easy lay up...

How is that OBI can get 3 to 4 of those with in his limited minutes and Randle, Mitch or Noel have a hand full (combine) for the season.

I never once see Thibs telling Randle or any of our ball handlers to push the ball..

The offense goes through Randle and he's not a playmaker that thrives in transition. You can make the case he isn't a playmaker at all. Honestly, which guard on the roster consistently pushes the ball outside of IQ and Rose? And Rose is 505 years old.

Pushing the pace doesn't required you to need a speedy guards, the Pacers, Raptors and Bucks don't have fast players by any stretch, yet they were scoring within 7 seconds of the shot clock by just moving the ball and moving themselves...

We have got to be the only team in the NBA still trying to post up on like 75% of our possessions when Randle's in the game, like this isn't the Damn Ewing ERA..

When was the last time you seen a smooth PnR with anyone of our Bigs (not name OBI).

You can never Run a PNR with Randle and Mitch or Noel...like EVER EVER, because everybody in the world knows Mitch and Noel are rolling to the basket, super easy to defend, which leave Randle to take a bad jump shot, bad late pass, or stripped....


I agree you don't need to be speedy to push the ball. IQ isn't prime John Wall. But he and Rose are the only players that show that aggressive mindset. I would like to see more varied pick and roll options in the half court. There were a couple of instance where RJ and Mitch looks good on the PnR or drive and lob, but that's not really a thing anymore.
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12/13/2021  11:39 AM
Lineups are not going to matter if Randle continues to play this poorly and doesn't show some resemblance of last season.
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