Elf, oh Elf, where thou miss thy Elf………

Rookie wrote:Ok I’ll bite. Who we trading for?

I will give you 3 options ordered by cost:

Tyus Jones would not cost much at all, has 4.7 to 1 assist to turnover ratio, and 27%assists total for career. Has improved from 3 land the last few years and is ready for a bigger role( he gets less than 20 mins per game)

Dragic is not playing and is looking to be on the way out. He is old, but still has a season or two in him pprobably.

Fox is going to cost an arm and a leg but they might be looking to move him to free up minutes for Haliburton

“Bada boom bada bing”

In order to be a successful team guys have to know their roles, guys have to be willing to sacrifice their shots for better shots, do little things...we are not about that life yet

Kidd use to tell Melo give up the rock, cut , move around the ball will find you again (see curry) and when he started doing that he was 3rd in MVP votes, avg career high in points.

How often do you see a successful PnR in this offense, especially with Mitch or Randle....maybe once every other game

That's not a PG issue, it's a spacing issue

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:I think we have playmaker PGs who can also score. I rather groom a scorer looking to become a playmaker than to start with elf or Ben simons who doesn’t want to shoot. In todays game, it’s all about pace and space. IQ and Rose are the 2 PGs on our team with that skill set. McBride is 3rd strong. Trade Kemba for picks and keep it moving. Slide Burks to SG or SF and bring EF off the bench.

“Bada boom bada bing”

So the question that all of us should be asking is: Why hasn't Thibs and coaching staff moved IQ to the starting lineup? I think we can all agree Rose is set as the PG off the bench for a variety of reasons.

Maybe we should also ask, is IQ ready for the starting spot or is he better developed off the bench? So far, the coaching staff thinks so.

seems as though IQ is playing most of the 4th qtrs minutes and fournier is not

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:I think we have playmaker PGs who can also score. I rather groom a scorer looking to become a playmaker than to start with elf or Ben simons who doesn’t want to shoot. In todays game, it’s all about pace and space. IQ and Rose are the 2 PGs on our team with that skill set. McBride is 3rd strong. Trade Kemba for picks and keep it moving. Slide Burks to SG or SF and bring EF off the bench.

“Bada boom bada bing”

So the question that all of us should be asking is: Why hasn't Thibs and coaching staff moved IQ to the starting lineup? I think we can all agree Rose is set as the PG off the bench for a variety of reasons.

Maybe we should also ask, is IQ ready for the starting spot or is he better developed off the bench? So far, the coaching staff thinks so.

You mean the same staff that thought Burks was the answer at PG? Our staff and COY are great but nobody is perfect but God. I know McBride looked like our best defender on PGs from the beginning. And so far McBride looks like he’s more than just s solid defender. But wasn’t that the reason for this staff to remove Kemba completely? I can see sending him to the bench and not playing him vs announcing hes out of the rotation? Talk about public relations kill. That’s not a good look. Yes this same staff that we are marveling over are also prone to mistakes and that was another mistake. Unless Kemba is a locker room cancer we don’t know about. The same dude that coaches and players on our current team and other teams rave about? No…..it was a basketball decision.

I don’t have all the answers and I believe in letting the experts drive these major decisions. But if I was a rookie on staff, I would be hounding them like wtf. Burks at PG? When we have a backlog jam of PGs on this team. Kemba out for good? I’m just saying. I believe our record would’ve been better than 1-5. Kemba can carry a team with his offense alone, when he gets hot. Something Burks can’t do. And Burks playmaking doesn’t exist plus teams are starting to press him full court now. Another way to reduce the time it takes Randle to iso dribble. Basically teams that usually double Randle will also play Burks full court, which makes our offense look unstable and inconsistent. And reduces our scoring output. If our defense is weak, we better at lease turnip that offense for now. And Burks decrease the pace of the offense. That fine if we had that 1990s defense that Thibs remember.

I was down for Burks in the lineup, but for EF not Kemba. Just to see if it makes a difference, and reduces the public back lash. But let’s see what they do now? Bring Kemba back? If they trade him, needs to be a team of his preference. Because better believe other stars are at how we handle Kemba. Some probably scratched us off their list with that move from our COY. But let’s see. He hasn’t let me down last year.

knicks1248 wrote:We have no system that requires a PG, because at the end of the day your going right back to the "Randle Way".

In order to be a successful team guys have to know their roles, guys have to be willing to sacrifice their shots for better shots, do little things...we are not about that life yet

Kidd use to tell Melo give up the rock, cut , move around the ball will find you again (see curry) and when he started doing that he was 3rd in MVP votes, avg career high in points.

How often do you see a successful PnR in this offense, especially with Mitch or Randle....maybe once every other game

That's not a PG issue, it's a spacing issue

The pg situation is a moot point while we still have Randle trying to do a Carmelo impersonation

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:I think we have playmaker PGs who can also score. I rather groom a scorer looking to become a playmaker than to start with elf or Ben simons who doesn’t want to shoot. In todays game, it’s all about pace and space. IQ and Rose are the 2 PGs on our team with that skill set. McBride is 3rd strong. Trade Kemba for picks and keep it moving. Slide Burks to SG or SF and bring EF off the bench.

“Bada boom bada bing”

So the question that all of us should be asking is: Why hasn't Thibs and coaching staff moved IQ to the starting lineup? I think we can all agree Rose is set as the PG off the bench for a variety of reasons.

Maybe we should also ask, is IQ ready for the starting spot or is he better developed off the bench? So far, the coaching staff thinks so.

You mean the same staff that thought Burks was the answer at PG? Our staff and COY are great but nobody is perfect but God. I know McBride looked like our best defender on PGs from the beginning. And so far McBride looks like he’s more than just s solid defender. But wasn’t that the reason for this staff to remove Kemba completely? I can see sending him to the bench and not playing him vs announcing hes out of the rotation? Talk about public relations kill. That’s not a good look. Yes this same staff that we are marveling over are also prone to mistakes and that was another mistake. Unless Kemba is a locker room cancer we don’t know about. The same dude that coaches and players on our current team and other teams rave about? No…..it was a basketball decision.

I don’t have all the answers and I believe in letting the experts drive these major decisions. But if I was a rookie on staff, I would be hounding them like wtf. Burks at PG? When we have a backlog jam of PGs on this team. Kemba out for good? I’m just saying. I believe our record would’ve been better than 1-5. Kemba can carry a team with his offense alone, when he gets hot. Something Burks can’t do. And Burks playmaking doesn’t exist plus teams are starting to press him full court now. Another way to reduce the time it takes Randle to iso dribble. Basically teams that usually double Randle will also play Burks full court, which makes our offense look unstable and inconsistent. And reduces our scoring output. If our defense is weak, we better at lease turnip that offense for now. And Burks decrease the pace of the offense. That fine if we had that 1990s defense that Thibs remember.

I was down for Burks in the lineup, but for EF not Kemba. Just to see if it makes a difference, and reduces the public back lash. But let’s see what they do now? Bring Kemba back? If they trade him, needs to be a team of his preference. Because better believe other stars are at how we handle Kemba. Some probably scratched us off their list with that move from our COY. But let’s see. He hasn’t let me down last year.

Good points. The more you think about it the more complex it gets once the emotions are taken out. Was Burks a band aid until the trade deadline? What was plan be even if Kemba can’t go? Spot start IQ? He seems to be acclimating to playmaking and new rules but to what degree? Is mcBrides sojourn to G league a pre requisite to him moving into the rotation or even starting? He was seen as a bit of a project who in his intrviews was cool with riding the bench and gleague for a year or two. He really only surged in rankings one year in school. Its nice story mind you, but there is more than “give him a try”. Lets just say the staff has to be totally in step with promoting him into the rotation above spot play. Lin was a 4 year player in school and bounced around playing in the Dleague a while before his rise.
Im not saying I predict one thing or another. But there is a process. We could see another try for Kemba.
Trades can happen next week.
If wall takes a buy out, I’d bring him in as a band aid. Im not looking beyond this year BTW. I never have an issue with throwing in the towel for a tank but we just one game under .500. Thats premature.

We have no plan at pg. Burks killed it his first start versus the hawks so we kept it going. He’s not why we are losing but the recent history is showing Kemba was not the reason either

Continue to start Burks and have Kemba come off the bench. Our weakness again is perimeter shooting and Kemba can shoot. Rose is good for a few drive to the baskets still but he has never been a great shooter

Thibs has to figure out how to keep Randle’s ego in check. If he keeps up this nonsense he’s going to ball hog and brick this team out of a playoff spot