blkexec wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:No longer considered bullish, Deuce in full bull mode

He's been my Nvidia stock

I wish I invested NVIDIA sooner, like I did with deuce. I have to say, I’m not surprised yet. To me he’s already shown this in college (mid range shoooter) and in gleague.

THE DEUCE IS LOOSE

Now we can make some noise with a top 3 two way Guard, to help JB on both ends.

His playmaking is where I see growth. And beating him man to the rim, off the dribble. That’s also an improvement. But Deuce is and always was a solid shooter and top notch man to man defender.

I am interested to see his growth as a ball handler with PG decision making at hand. Should be fun.

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:No longer considered bullish, Deuce in full bull mode

He's been my Nvidia stock

I wish I invested NVIDIA sooner, like I did with deuce. I have to say, I’m not surprised yet. To me he’s already shown this in college (mid range shoooter) and in gleague.

THE DEUCE IS LOOSE

Now we can make some noise with a top 3 two way Guard, to help JB on both ends.

His playmaking is where I see growth. And beating him man to the rim, off the dribble. That’s also an improvement. But Deuce is and always was a solid shooter and top notch man to man defender.

I am interested to see his growth as a ball handler with PG decision making at hand. Should be fun.

Now that’s growth that may or may not happen. He’s playing exactly like he played in college when he was the starting PG. Same in the g league. My guess is he will be a similar version of what we see when he hits that ceiling as a playmaking PG. With today’s scoring guard culture, I can see him being a better player at what he’s doing now. Which isn’t a bad thing. He’s a great utility knife Thibs can use as he please. I’m just glad Thibs trust him because we need this version of deuce in the playoffs.

blkexec wrote:I like it better when he was the underdog. But

G league Deuce is here to stay. Who said he can’t shoot? Anything he does on offense is a plus. I mean anything. So to score 23 in the first half? Wow. His confidence has blown through any ceiling anybody has put on him.

Leon is the man. Deuce always had this in him, just needed an opportunity. Good thing Thibs and Leon saw this in practice and locked him up before giving him 48 mins. deuce is that glue guy every team needs. The guard version of OG.

Ok, again with the "He needed the opportunity"? No, he needed to evolve and he did. not like he was being held back.
He as given plenty to opportunity to show up and he made progress. It was uneven at times. His G-League breakout showed what he can do but it did not translate. That was the next step. Kid is strong and a leaper. WE found our Marcus Smart!!!
Grimes traded was the opening and obviously it was predicated on him signing an extension and given the room to breath for a few years to keep doing what he is doing. Not like he was being held back.
This also is about Johnny Bryant in some form as he is the "guard whisperer".
DDV and then Deuce knocked out Grimes. This team develops and not all players will stick.

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Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:I like it better when he was the underdog. But

G league Deuce is here to stay. Who said he can’t shoot? Anything he does on offense is a plus. I mean anything. So to score 23 in the first half? Wow. His confidence has blown through any ceiling anybody has put on him.

Leon is the man. Deuce always had this in him, just needed an opportunity. Good thing Thibs and Leon saw this in practice and locked him up before giving him 48 mins. deuce is that glue guy every team needs. The guard version of OG.

Ok, again with the "He needed the opportunity"? No, he needed to evolve and he did. not like he was being held back.
He as given plenty to opportunity to show up and he made progress. It was uneven at times. His G-League breakout showed what he can do but it did not translate. That was the next step. Kid is strong and a leaper. WE found our Marcus Smart!!!
Grimes traded was the opening and obviously it was predicated on him signing an extension and given the room to breath for a few years to keep doing what he is doing. Not like he was being held back.
This also is about Johnny Bryant in some form as he is the "guard whisperer".
DDV and then Deuce knocked out Grimes. This team develops and not all players will stick.

Spot on with the Johnny Bryant comment. His guard development has been on full display for young and old like D.Rose.

I hear you on deuce wasn’t held back and wasn’t ready and needed development time. Nobody is arguing that, just the timing of when to make or not make roster moves to allow IQ and Deuce to run your team. So we just agree to disagree on that. But we both agree that IQ and Deuce are both playing at a high level, when given playing time. Deuce is a better fit than grimes since we add Hart then DDV.

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:I like it better when he was the underdog. But

G league Deuce is here to stay. Who said he can’t shoot? Anything he does on offense is a plus. I mean anything. So to score 23 in the first half? Wow. His confidence has blown through any ceiling anybody has put on him.

Leon is the man. Deuce always had this in him, just needed an opportunity. Good thing Thibs and Leon saw this in practice and locked him up before giving him 48 mins. deuce is that glue guy every team needs. The guard version of OG.

Ok, again with the "He needed the opportunity"? No, he needed to evolve and he did. not like he was being held back.
He as given plenty to opportunity to show up and he made progress. It was uneven at times. His G-League breakout showed what he can do but it did not translate. That was the next step. Kid is strong and a leaper. WE found our Marcus Smart!!!
Grimes traded was the opening and obviously it was predicated on him signing an extension and given the room to breath for a few years to keep doing what he is doing. Not like he was being held back.
This also is about Johnny Bryant in some form as he is the "guard whisperer".
DDV and then Deuce knocked out Grimes. This team develops and not all players will stick.

I missed the Marcus Smart comment earlier, it's spot on, but with shooting

DLeethal wrote:I've never seen a contract so good that I actually feel bad for the guy who signed it. Deuce is gonna be 29 before his next contract kicks in. He basically locked up his entire prime years for 1/3rd of his current worth. Great deal for Knicks, kind of sucks for Deuce.

haha 23yo and gonna be making in the $5M range and he wildly underpaid. Life sucks sometimes!

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I've never seen a contract so good that I actually feel bad for the guy who signed it. Deuce is gonna be 29 before his next contract kicks in. He basically locked up his entire prime years for 1/3rd of his current worth. Great deal for Knicks, kind of sucks for Deuce.

haha 23yo and gonna be making in the $5M range and he wildly underpaid. Life sucks sometimes!

Opportunity cost. He could of turned it down and never got his shot.

Oh for sure. And no amount of money is gonna live up to playing near 48 minutes in 3 straight games and then starting to hear your name shouted out just as you are taking a 3 point shot. Dude living the dream.

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I've never seen a contract so good that I actually feel bad for the guy who signed it. Deuce is gonna be 29 before his next contract kicks in. He basically locked up his entire prime years for 1/3rd of his current worth. Great deal for Knicks, kind of sucks for Deuce.

haha 23yo and gonna be making in the $5M range and he wildly underpaid. Life sucks sometimes!

Opportunity cost. He could of turned it down and never got his shot.

Oh for sure. And no amount of money is gonna live up to playing near 48 minutes in 3 straight games and then starting to hear your name shouted out just as you are taking a 3 point shot. Dude living the dream.

Realistically (and I am adding facts that don't exist here), if he turned it down, do you think he is the one that ends up in Detroit?

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I've never seen a contract so good that I actually feel bad for the guy who signed it. Deuce is gonna be 29 before his next contract kicks in. He basically locked up his entire prime years for 1/3rd of his current worth. Great deal for Knicks, kind of sucks for Deuce.

haha 23yo and gonna be making in the $5M range and he wildly underpaid. Life sucks sometimes!

Opportunity cost. He could of turned it down and never got his shot.

Oh for sure. And no amount of money is gonna live up to playing near 48 minutes in 3 straight games and then starting to hear your name shouted out just as you are taking a 3 point shot. Dude living the dream.

Realistically (and I am adding facts that don't exist here), if he turned it down, do you think he is the one that ends up in Detroit?

I am sure it went down like this: "Deuce, we love you man, but we have a trade to Detroit OR you can sign this sweet sweet 3-year team friendly deal. We really want you to think it over for a long time but the trade deadline is in an hour and we all up against a wall. Do you want to stick to NY or go to a losing team? You got an hour, so get back to us! And remember we love you!!!"

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I've never seen a contract so good that I actually feel bad for the guy who signed it. Deuce is gonna be 29 before his next contract kicks in. He basically locked up his entire prime years for 1/3rd of his current worth. Great deal for Knicks, kind of sucks for Deuce.

haha 23yo and gonna be making in the $5M range and he wildly underpaid. Life sucks sometimes!

Opportunity cost. He could of turned it down and never got his shot.

Oh for sure. And no amount of money is gonna live up to playing near 48 minutes in 3 straight games and then starting to hear your name shouted out just as you are taking a 3 point shot. Dude living the dream.

Realistically (and I am adding facts that don't exist here), if he turned it down, do you think he is the one that ends up in Detroit?

I am sure it went down like this: "Deuce, we love you man, but we have a trade to Detroit OR you can sign this sweet sweet 3-year team friendly deal. We really want you to think it over for a long time but the trade deadline is in an hour and we all up against a wall. Do you want to stick to NY or go to a losing team? You got an hour, so get back to us! And remember we love you!!!"

More like his agent having pestered them for a commitment of time or some assurance he could be free to seek other opportunities. Its the benefit of being a 2nd round pick and exceeding. What this deal gives him is the confidence he has a contract for 3 more years and a value proposition from the team to give him minutes he earned.
He has fulfilled the teams and his schedule and now has IQ minutes to establish himself in the league. If he outgrows his role off the bench he'll be desired by other teams and knicks will be compensated as will he in time! Not a bad thing here.
Grimes will be behind Ivey, Cade, and sasser and perhaps others being drafted. He started the season as the incumbant starter in the worlds most famous arena!
He needs to polish up a few areas and find a team that can give him a path. I don't fault him for complaining. He is frustrated and should be. As was Drose. As was Evan. Its a tough business. Maybe his agent played the wrong hand.

Probably. Remember the rumors of the Knicks turning down offer in the off-season for Deuce. I believe that Deuce was never on the table because the FO knew they were trading IQ and Thibs told them that Deuce had developed to the point that he was ready. Not as ready as he's shown, but certainly capable of eating NBA minutes.
I'm sure Deuce's agent was pushing for a trade and reading the market. He was probably like "My guy can at least pull $5M on the open market. You can take care of us of now, or risk losing us."
The FO did the math and figured it's better to get this done now. I'm sure noone outside of the McBride family and, maybe, Thibs knew how much McBride would impact the team.