DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Yea this went off the rails a little bit but I think the purpose of the discussion was if you asked a team take your pick, Deuce or Grimes? I think most right now are taking Deuce. You can see he is getting more and more National recognition during some of these higher profile games.

right now probably, Grimes's value was def higher before though.

though food for thought I read DET took Grimes over 1st round pick offers from other teams.

Don't really blame them, they need players and also defensive minded guys.

And legit spacers. They have TOO many young guys, more draft picks ain't what is going to help them.

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Yea this went off the rails a little bit but I think the purpose of the discussion was if you asked a team take your pick, Deuce or Grimes? I think most right now are taking Deuce. You can see he is getting more and more National recognition during some of these higher profile games.

right now probably, Grimes's value was def higher before though.

though food for thought I read DET took Grimes over 1st round pick offers from other teams.

Don't really blame them, they need players and also defensive minded guys.

And legit spacers. They have TOO many young guys, more draft picks ain't what is going to help them.

Grimes is a very good 2 way player. Just like Bogs and Burks, he needs time to jell, specially a mid season trade. Not everyone can be OG

You can’t look at grimes offense this year and say he’s a good 2-way player. He’s a good defender but has a long ways to go to be adequate offensively.

martin wrote:All things are definitely not ever even close to equal but all these guys played in the same magnitude range of minutes played for the Knicks for a guard'ish. I was surprised at the totals.

Deuce has obviously had the most sporadic of minutes. And he is signed and sealed at $5M.

                                                                                                                                    
           Player Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA 3P%V  2P 2PA  2P% eFG%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
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    Miles McBride  23 55  6  860 139  310 .448  72 173 .416  67 137 .489 .565  28  34 .824  19  43  62  74  35   5  22  75  378
Immanuel Quickley  24 30  0  720 152  335 .454  64 162 .395  88 173 .509 .549  82  94 .872   5  72  77  74  16   3  31  44  450
   Quentin Grimes  23 45 18  910 113  286 .395  77 212 .363  36  74 .486 .530  24  34 .706  14  74  88  52  30   3  21  66  327
       RJ Barrett  23 26 26  766 164  388 .423  43 130 .331 121 258 .469 .478 103 124 .831  19  92 111  63  12   9  47  45  474

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2024.html

WHat's most surprising to me is that Deuce and Q had equal assists. I had the impression that Q was generating more assists than Deuce does. Thanks for sharing this.

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:All things are definitely not ever even close to equal but all these guys played in the same magnitude range of minutes played for the Knicks for a guard'ish. I was surprised at the totals.

Deuce has obviously had the most sporadic of minutes. And he is signed and sealed at $5M.

                                                                                                                                    
           Player Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA 3P%V  2P 2PA  2P% eFG%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Miles McBride  23 55  6  860 139  310 .448  72 173 .416  67 137 .489 .565  28  34 .824  19  43  62  74  35   5  22  75  378
Immanuel Quickley  24 30  0  720 152  335 .454  64 162 .395  88 173 .509 .549  82  94 .872   5  72  77  74  16   3  31  44  450
   Quentin Grimes  23 45 18  910 113  286 .395  77 212 .363  36  74 .486 .530  24  34 .706  14  74  88  52  30   3  21  66  327
       RJ Barrett  23 26 26  766 164  388 .423  43 130 .331 121 258 .469 .478 103 124 .831  19  92 111  63  12   9  47  45  474

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2024.html

WHat's most surprising to me is that Deuce and Q had equal assists. I had the impression that Q was generating more assists than Deuce does. Thanks for sharing this.

Yeah, that's one of the stats that stuck out for me and was kinda eye popping. McBride does have about 140+ more total minutes and that's fairly significant, but still...

His stats aren't going to "pop" just yet as he is getting comfortable in his role. He is having a phenomenal March. His Per36 splits basically have him at 20pts 3 assists, 1.5 steals. The eye test tells me (at least) that he is finding the game speed on offense and getting a bit more comfortable ballhandling in traffic. I thought he was in Steph Curry's head in a manner that other defenders haven't been able to. Curry hit some tough shots but he didn't really have an inch of breathing room. MM was breathing all over him. Eyepopping defense.

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martin wrote:Jesus Deuce is everything we had hoped Grimes would be and he’s on a 3 year $15m extension starting next year LOL

Jesus Deuce is quite a nickname. But I guess he has earned it.

ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:Jesus Deuce is everything we had hoped Grimes would be and he’s on a 3 year $15m extension starting next year LOL

Jesus Deuce is quite a nickname. But I guess he has earned it.

Hahahaha

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:No longer considered bullish, Deuce in full bull mode

He's been my Nvidia stock

I wish I invested NVIDIA sooner, like I did with deuce. I have to say, I’m not surprised yet. To me he’s already shown this in college (mid range shoooter) and in gleague.

THE DEUCE IS LOOSE

Now we can make some noise with a top 3 two way Guard, to help JB on both ends.

His playmaking is where I see growth. And beating him man to the rim, off the dribble. That’s also an improvement. But Deuce is and always was a solid shooter and top notch man to man defender.