But I'm going to hang my ass out there and say there is something I really like about McBride.
The kid passes the eye test. At least my eye test. Yes, in small samples.
But to me, he has "it". The very "it" that deer-in-the-headlights Ntilikina was SO far from ever possessing.
He has grit, and confidence, and a multifaceted game. He can handle, shoot, and pass. To what levels, remains to be seen. Defends like the Tasmanian Devil.
But I'm on board. Happy to eat crow in 4 years if I'm wrong, but I don't think I will be.

I fully expect him to pass IQ on the chart for PG. To me, IQ is more on the SG side of combo guard, than PG.
But I'll be thrilled to see them paired up as a dynamic explosive back court.

LivingLegend wrote:I have no concerns with McBrides defense, shooting or make-up —- those all look top notch.

I do however question if he has the quickness, handle and explosion to pressure the paint consistently.
Also not sure on his vision or passing ability in terms of those being above avg. for a top notch nba pg.

That said I want both Duece / QG to get minutes but don’t expect Thibs to grant my wishes.

Panos wrote:I admit I'm the first guy to criticize people that get too high on rookies that haven't proven anything in the league.
I generally find it ridiculous that fans think they know more than the coach about how soon a player is ready to start especially when the fans have seen only small samples.
I was not on board with all the start Toney Douglas, start Jerian Grant, start Ntilikina threads.
I laughed when posters said they wouldn't trade Channing Frye for Kevin Garnett.
I'm not even considering that Rokubatis will make it to the big league. If he does, great, but I'm not counting on it.

But I'm going to hang my ass out there and say there is something I really like about McBride.
The kid passes the eye test. At least my eye test. Yes, in small samples.
But to me, he has "it". The very "it" that deer-in-the-headlights Ntilikina was SO far from ever possessing.
He has grit, and confidence, and a multifaceted game. He can handle, shoot, and pass. To what levels, remains to be seen. Defends like the Tasmanian Devil.
But I'm on board. Happy to eat crow in 4 years if I'm wrong, but I don't think I will be.

I fully expect him to pass IQ on the chart for PG. To me, IQ is more on the SG side of combo guard, than PG.
But I'll be thrilled to see them paired up as a dynamic explosive back court.

Great post!! Deuce is definitely the best pg prospect on this roster. Defensively, he's tenacious, doesn't take a play off, and can guard 94 feet. He's strong, and has long arms which allows him to play the passing lane. I think he can have a Caruso-like effect on the defensive end in terms of being a disruptor.

Offensively, one of his best attributes is his mid-range game. It's sort of a go-to move when he can't get all the way to the rack, or when he needs a bucket. He's not an elite passer, and he won't pass his teammates-open too often, but that's on the scouting report for most young pg's with the exception of the elite few.

I' am in total agreement you. I hope we can get him into the rotation!!!

Clean wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:I have no concerns with McBrides defense, shooting or make-up —- those all look top notch.

I do however question if he has the quickness, handle and explosion to pressure the paint consistently.
Also not sure on his vision or passing ability in terms of those being above avg. for a top notch nba pg.

That said I want both Duece / QG to get minutes but don’t expect Thibs to grant my wishes.

I almost never give opinions on who we should draft because I don't usually watch too much College ball but once I saw this kids draft videos and did more looking at his games he was the one I wanted at our pick in the 1st round. He has everything except a quick 1st step. During his summer workouts he was doing drills to improve on that. He seems to be better at it in the G League. He also uses his good mid range game to help out if he can't make it directly to the hoop. You can see that in his G League highlights where he stops short and hit the simple mid range shot. One thing we also have not seen yet is he is really good at posting up guards. I doubt if we will see that much in the NBA due to him deferring to our big names but it is something he has in his toolkit.

Agree with most everything you state but the except quick 1st step is the one that worries me. I tend to think his mid range use is partially due to an ability to blow by his defender.

Above stated - I really really am rooting for all our kids. I exclude Mitch here because I just don’t want to rely on D only players who have shown zero offensive development in +3 years. Add in low IQ and constant injuries, condition issues for Mitch.

Still hoping for good things from RJ, IQ, Obi, Grimes and Deuce.

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1467230576839213059

Samanic is highly skilled and very versatile on offense BUT he often looks beyond dazed/confused defensively —- sometimes even disinterested. Not sure if I’m imagining the D issues but I could see giving him <3 seconds before yanking him for defensive lapse.

We call that move "The Obi"

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1467230576839213059

Samanic is highly skilled and very versatile on offense BUT he often looks beyond dazed/confused defensively —- sometimes even disinterested. Not sure if I’m imagining the D issues but I could see giving him <3 seconds before yanking him for defensive lapse.

We call that move "The Obi"

LOL - true - Randle dogs it & misses rotations left ‘ right with zero repercussions & if Obi breathes wrong he gone.

SO FRUSTRATING

Philc1 wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1467230576839213059

Samanic is highly skilled and very versatile on offense BUT he often looks beyond dazed/confused defensively —- sometimes even disinterested. Not sure if I’m imagining the D issues but I could see giving him <3 seconds before yanking him for defensive lapse.

We call that move "The Obi"

LOL - true - Randle dogs it & misses rotations left ‘ right with zero repercussions & if Obi breathes wrong he gone.

SO FRUSTRATING

Which is why we shouldn’t have panicked and extended Randle long term last summer

Maybe we can trade Randle for Westbrook straight up with the Lakers. That trade would help both teams

We panicked?

To add to the lack of thought you gave, what does Lakers want with Randle? How does it help them win?
Might want to respect this group by at least looking at the salary differential. Your only off by 23million. Seriously. Westbrook makes 44mil. Randle makes 21. Next year he makes 26mm. At that price we are not paying for a savior. Thats borderline allstar money. Today that would be good or 46th highest salary. Next year I can see that even being higher. Randle is not making anywhere close to Vet max money.

Panos wrote:I admit I'm the first guy to criticize people that get too high on rookies that haven't proven anything in the league.
I generally find it ridiculous that fans think they know more than the coach about how soon a player is ready to start especially when the fans have seen only small samples.
I was not on board with all the start Toney Douglas, start Jerian Grant, start Ntilikina threads.
I laughed when posters said they wouldn't trade Channing Frye for Kevin Garnett.
I'm not even considering that Rokubatis will make it to the big league. If he does, great, but I'm not counting on it.

I'm 100% convinced Rokubatis will make it to NBA and be a good rotation player at a minimum.

Don't discount him; the metrics and stats etc are way different or should be looked at through a different lens than what we expect when looking at kids in college or the GLeague.

I think if you asked a Euro scout and a GLeague scout to give their takes on Rokus/Deuce, both would be equally pumped about their respective prospects in the NBA.