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ccch
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12/3/2021  4:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2021  5:00 PM
How about moving on from Julius...He might be a hard worker, team player, blah, blah , blah but he has proving over and over he can't function under pressure.
1. Loses ball in critical situations
2. Dribbles into double teams seaming having no awareness that people are coming on his back side.
3. Makes horrible passes when pressures on.
4. Inconsistent foul shots when under pressure.
5. Decision making is bad in these critical situations.
6. Slow down the team rhythm and pace by tying to back defenders into the low post for a fall away jump shot.

Yes...he will make a key shot once in a while while with 3 seconds left. Probably because it's just instinct and doesn't have time to think.

On balance he's not the guy to build around. Love to see a trade and get what we can for him while he still have value.
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12/3/2021  4:53 PM
ccch wrote:How about moving on from Julius...He might be a hard worker, team player, blah, blah , blah but he has proving over and over he can't function under pressure.
1. Loses ball in critical situations
2. Dribbles into double teams seaming having no awareness that people are coming on his back side.
3. Makes horrible passes when pressures on.
4. Inconsistent foul shots when under pressure.
5. Decision making is bad in these critical situations.
6. Slow down pace and team rhythm of the team by tying to back defends into the low post for a fall away jump shot.

Yes...he will make a key shot once in a while while with 3 seconds left. Probably because it's just instinct and doesn't have time to think.

On balance he's not the guy to build around. Love to see a trade and get what we can for him while he still have value.

If he sucks this much, whats his trade value?
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12/3/2021  5:04 PM
ccch wrote:How about moving on from Julius...He might be a hard worker, team player, blah, blah , blah but he has proving over and over he can't function under pressure.
1. Loses ball in critical situations
2. Dribbles into double teams seaming having no awareness that people are coming on his back side.
3. Makes horrible passes when pressures on.
4. Inconsistent foul shots when under pressure.
5. Decision making is bad in these critical situations.
6. Slow down pace and team rhythm of the team by tying to back defends into the low post for a fall away jump shot.

Yes...he will make a key shot once in a while while with 3 seconds left. Probably because it's just instinct and doesn't have time to think.

On balance he's not the guy to build around. Love to see a trade and get what we can for him while he still have value.

Your right, he's not a guy to build around, he's a guy that can be part of a winning culture.

Is kris middleton a guy you can build around, is Derozen or Lavine guys you can build around, is Booker a guy you can build around (when the suns struggled for his 1st 6 yrs in the nba), lillard, Kat.


You are supposed to get additional good players to play with Randle, and the Knicks did not do that with their NBA high in cap space last summer.

Is it Randle fault mitch and noel sucks on offense and cant stay healthy, or RJ shooting 27%, or Fournier being a suspect player, or Kemba can't play like he used to.

Your blaming Randle for not being a super star or a perfect player..

Isn't up to the coach to take the ball out of Randle's hands when he sees fit.

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12/3/2021  5:15 PM
Nobody should blame Randle as he is coached to be the guy, the offense is purposely centered around him. He's still our best player - but he is clearly a 2nd or 3rd guy. He would probably be revered on a team like Denver or Dallas. Problem with trying to add a superstar to make him the number 2 is we don't have enough value to trade lesser players for a true star (without gutting the roster). So it's either tank and hope we get lucky and draft well - or trade your best B+ player (along with a pick and another good player) to try to upgrade to an A level player. RJ still has a lot of potential to fill Randle's role as the B+ player.

Heard PG as an example/possibility - worth seeing the cost IMO. He's a bit old and overpaid but is still a very good player that opens up the paint.

I'd look into seeing if Kuminga, Wiseman and filler would be enticing for something involving Randle and Mitch? GS isn't playing either young guy and may want another vet forward since they are looking at a return to a deep playoff run... We start over with a young SF and C while still keeping RJ, Noel, Burks, Toppin, etc...

Who's a team that has redundant talent at the same position?
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12/3/2021  6:42 PM
All of this is true.

I don't care that he isn't super clutch.

I care that he isn't playing to last years level. What changed? Can he get back to last year's level (I believe he can)?

There have been times in the 3rd & 4th quarter that we have played better without Randle on the floor.
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12/4/2021  12:09 AM
Nalod wrote:
ccch wrote:How about moving on from Julius...He might be a hard worker, team player, blah, blah , blah but he has proving over and over he can't function under pressure.
1. Loses ball in critical situations
2. Dribbles into double teams seaming having no awareness that people are coming on his back side.
3. Makes horrible passes when pressures on.
4. Inconsistent foul shots when under pressure.
5. Decision making is bad in these critical situations.
6. Slow down pace and team rhythm of the team by tying to back defends into the low post for a fall away jump shot.

Yes...he will make a key shot once in a while while with 3 seconds left. Probably because it's just instinct and doesn't have time to think.

On balance he's not the guy to build around. Love to see a trade and get what we can for him while he still have value.

If he sucks this much, whats his trade value?

Probably around the Ben Simmons or Kyrie Irving neighborhood at max… which isn’t terrible. Nobody is giving up young players and major picks for him though.

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12/4/2021  8:25 AM
You know who’s clutch? That Jeremy Lin guy
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12/4/2021  9:17 AM
I am fine with Randle not being clutch. What I am not fine with is him being our whole offense at times. He needs to play as a finisher mostly. He is just too inefficient to run an offense through. It is the reason why now we can't win any close games. The closer to the end of the game we get the more ISO Randle centric our offense becomes. When you have Randle and a 4 guard lineup and still resort to ISO Randle you know we have a problem. If you are going to use ISO you have to use a player who is efficient and have top tier passing and vision Like Jokic.
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12/4/2021  1:06 PM
This thread should see all Randle threads in his first year here.

Always supported Randle. Think he is an elite player. Bringing up shortcomings in an All Star caliber player never made sense to me. Unless you can replace him with someone you can guarantee will be perfect and fit seamlessly. . Do not see any sense in rinse and repeat. Replacing a guy that is performing at a high level just because you think he is the only thing keeping you from a chip is shortsighted imo. Especially with another player that you have no idea how will fit. Maybe what is needed is to keep adding pieces that may make a difference? For me, as mentioned on other threads, we need an alpha vet PG that can dictate tempo and be a true floor general. Do not think Randle has ever had an elite PG around him. Problem is I do not see anyone out there that fits the mold and is available. CP3 was the last. Do not think Wall or Westbrook make sense.

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12/4/2021  2:06 PM
He has to go!!
Philc1
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12/4/2021  8:23 PM
Is Randle a choke? Hard to gauge since it’s a relative small sample size — one playoff series here in which he played badly. I’ve seen Shawn Kemp, Peyton Manning, Alex Rodriguez self destruct in big spots only to redeem themselves later on

My issue with Randle - and RJ - is their free throw shooting has been bad. They both need to get better especially RJ because that’s where he’s going to make his money
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12/6/2021  10:52 AM
Philc1 wrote:You know who’s clutch? That Jeremy Lin guy

Yeah, especially with that great sample size!
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