Problem is we pretty much cancelled free agency money for awhile

I think we have a shot at Ricky Rubio next offseason and he’d like to come here but we need to clear up cap room. Getting rid of Fournier might be our only hope

Philc1 wrote:We missed our big shot when Kyrie and KD wussed out.

I think we have a shot at Ricky Rubio next offseason and he’d like to come here but we need to clear up cap room. Getting rid of Fournier might be our only hope

Rubio is the answer? Your joking right? Oh wait, he had that career game against us and you think he that ever night? Simple.

EF is one of many issues this team is having. Remember when ridding ourselves of Elf was a magical deletion?
Concept: Players individually don’t always provide solutions or are the single issue.

Fournier makes 17.5, 18. 18.5, then 4th year club option. Thats not ruinous. Its similar to Rubios current contact that is expiring. Ricky did not exactly lift the Timberwolves the last few years. He’ll come at a much lower cost. We need to clear up space for him? I’d say Rubio gets less then 10mil his next stop.

We Paid Payton 4.7mm last year. Simple minds be like “Thank god he gone and all that cap space”.

Briggs offers no path to a super star, just the desire for a savior. yep, thats what every knick fan wants. Its what Dolan tried many times. Then we go patient and rebuild. One 5th of season in after a good 4th seed fans be falling apart and gravitate back to starphucking unicorn circlejerk fantasies.
YOu then counter with Ricky Rubio as the answer? I get he got that Jesus hair thing going but your sadly not up on his age, durability, and shooting inconsistencies. I always liked him and he’d be a good back up.

Nalod thought Obi as a trade asset. I like most of you enjoy the intrigue of trading Randle and let OBI be Amare. Not quite convinced. My hope is there is a formula that we lack and a trade can unlock the first unit. Lets be real, we not going anywhere until that is solved. We seem to be ready to pounce on a trade.

Im sure the quick sugar buzz is a core Lillard for RJ, Obi, IQ and picks (money aside). Not sure Portand can even do a 3-1 swap but I deliberatly ignore the details. Kemba goes to portland or sits. Does that unlock us? And how much does Lillard have in the tank? so its cool for portand to see the future in OBI and RJ but not us? We locked in the here and now?

Does really move the dial enough? What if Lillard is a year from being Kemba? He avgs 44mil a year for the next 4 years. Last year is 48mm player option. I want a superstar but I want one with a future, not a past.

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We missed our big shot when Kyrie and KD wussed out.

I think we have a shot at Ricky Rubio next offseason and he’d like to come here but we need to clear up cap room. Getting rid of Fournier might be our only hope

Rubio is the answer? Your joking right? Oh wait, he had that career game against us and you think he that ever night? Simple.

EF is one of many issues this team is having. Remember when ridding ourselves of Elf was a magical deletion?
Concept: Players individually don’t always provide solutions or are the single issue.

Fournier makes 17.5, 18. 18.5, then 4th year club option. Thats not ruinous. Its similar to Rubios current contact that is expiring. Ricky did not exactly lift the Timberwolves the last few years. He’ll come at a much lower cost. We need to clear up space for him? I’d say Rubio gets less then 10mil his next stop.

We Paid Payton 4.7mm last year. Simple minds be like “Thank god he gone and all that cap space”.

Briggs offers no path to a super star, just the desire for a savior. yep, thats what every knick fan wants. Its what Dolan tried many times. Then we go patient and rebuild. One 5th of season in after a good 4th seed fans be falling apart and gravitate back to starphucking unicorn circlejerk fantasies.
YOu then counter with Ricky Rubio as the answer? I get he got that Jesus hair thing going but your sadly not up on his age, durability, and shooting inconsistencies. I always liked him and he’d be a good back up.

Nalod thought Obi as a trade asset. I like most of you enjoy the intrigue of trading Randle and let OBI be Amare. Not quite convinced. My hope is there is a formula that we lack and a trade can unlock the first unit. Lets be real, we not going anywhere until that is solved. We seem to be ready to pounce on a trade.

Im sure the quick sugar buzz is a core Lillard for RJ, Obi, IQ and picks (money aside). Not sure Portand can even do a 3-1 swap but I deliberatly ignore the details. Kemba goes to portland or sits. Does that unlock us? And how much does Lillard have in the tank? so its cool for portand to see the future in OBI and RJ but not us? We locked in the here and now?

Does really move the dial enough? What if Lillard is a year from being Kemba? He avgs 44mil a year for the next 4 years. Last year is 48mm player option. I want a superstar but I want one with a future, not a past.

Rubio isn’t a superstar but he’d be our best pg in a very long time and a huge upgrade over Walker and your boy Elf

One liner got it all. Elf makes like 2.5 mil and is a back up. That what he was at 8mm. Then we bring him back with cut in pay to 4.7 then we win 41 of 72 games. “My boy elf”, that was a good value. He outplayed all others and we did good last year.
Nobody is saying anything with regreat. What your missing is “what did he bring that worked and why are we not clicking thus far”. An easy simple mind says “Must be EF”…..
No?
“Randle has regressed then”?
No?
“RJ is inconsistant” and ruining us……

Or, the chemistry is not right. Thibs is not dialed in this team. What does Elf do that Kemba can’t?
Fill the passing lanes as good. Our defense is suffering. Kemba is 5’11 and lost a step.
Both penetrated. Kemba a better shooter for sure. he shoots more.
The result is a formula where Randle is taking harder shots. Im not a coach and breaking down video.
We leaving open men for easy 3’s. Its the play that leads to that play.
At the end of the day, we are no as good as we thought we’d be. Fans that is. Vegas got it right. Even evil ESPN and the media got it right thus far.
Rubio is hindsight in mirror dude. His past play would be “best PG we had in a while”. That does nothing to the future. You can simple it but its about getting guys in their prime, not past it. its hard to get them BEFORE THEY HIT PRIME. But thats how you build it right.

I’d gamble on fixing Simmons before I’d take Lilliard. A future concept I can’t see unfolding but if Thibs, Johnny Bryant and Kenny payne think they can elevate the kid, then who am I to say no?
I don’t see a natural trade with Philly other than core of Obi-IQ-Kemba-2 picks. Would need a 3rd team as PHilly needs a ready to win now starter.

Fucking hell, I take the bait on this………

why not a “SuperDUPERstar”? I mean really, why not?

Read a report Ben Simmons is cash flow nearly broke. Buys new half million dollar cars every month, has big real estate with big tax and maintenence bills, and if living the Kardashian life, he is not working on his craft. I don’t know this guy at all but say what you want or compare Kobe/Jordan/Lebron and pick your favorite, those guys worked and obsessed year round with diet, doping, and what ever they needed to do to stay relevent and it paid off into their mid 30’s. Maybe Ben can come around and be his best self. Not to say he can be a mount rushmore kind of player.

I know we **** on Randle of late but after a rough month we have forgotten how much we love him? First sign of adversity we start impulsive threads calling for trades and wanting Superduperstars? Shit on our yoot? “Serious conversation about IQ?” So on and so on? Wtf is this? Some kind of entitled fan kind of **** that if we are not winning to our liking we blow it up like some spoiled movie character with no thought to the aggregate or these are human beings? Its all good for us while randle is carrying the team but a weeks down its time to **** on him? Nice.

BRIGGS wrote:We can get somewhere with intangibles but Without star power and the full package — will stay mediocre.

Problem is we pretty much cancelled free agency money for awhile

What does our free agency spending have to do with not having star power? Lets say we had all the money in the world before we "so called" cancelled free agency money on EF. What superstar did we miss out on? Derozon is a superstar? No he's not. Is he better than EF or Kemba, of course. But what star player did we miss out on, due to our free agency spending?

At this point, we are on 2 paths. Drafting young players and looking for a home grown superstar while simulataneously fishing through the free agency buckets (players that teams do not want) for compitent players that fits the nourushing culture of developing young stars. Superstars are not usually available in the free agency bucket. If so, they will be in a separate "need connections or network" bucket.

Which is why hiring Leon Rose was a good start or base ingredient. An old school players coach that everybody respects, including the current nba stars thats on other teams. There's multiple levels to building a team, just like making a cake. And everything is happening simulataneously. It's like the baby in the kitchen crying that he's hungry and wants to eat now, especially after smelling the food being cooked. Since he doesn't see the food on his plate yet, he can't associate the smell of (Leon Rose) food cooking to why he can't eat (Win a Chip) right this second.

This is why I still laugh at my signature thread title.

Next, I think Randle has to accept a facilitator's role. Something closer to Draymond Green than Lebron James. Randle is a solid player and tends to be committed on defense. But for him to believe he needs to shoulder the scoring load by taking contested shots is just less necessary than last year.

I wasn't a huge fan of the Fournier addition. Not because I think he is a bad player, I just think he takes the ball out of RJ's hands and pushes RJ out of his competitive advantage at SG to SF. I want to see the ball more in RJ's hands and I prefer RJ at SG. I like him as a big body at SG more than a small small forward.

I actually think a move of Fournier and Walker for Wiggins with GSW might make sense for both sides. Straight up. Call me crazy. I think it puts us back on the defensive end of the spectrum. Probably not our last move, but I think a Canadian pairing of Barrett and Wiggs isn't a terrible idea. I know Wiggs didn't work out well last time for Thibs, but I think he has grown into who he is a player.

IQ
RJ
Wiggs
Randle
Robinson

EwingsGlass wrote:I'll start by saying I am a pretty Kemba fan. He just isn't delivering. The two teams that gave up on him may have been more right than wrong. He can definitely still score, but he's not athletic or tall enough to guard starting PGs these days. Guys are running right past him. He isn't fighting over screens. I think his starting job has to be sacrificed at this point.

Listen, we don't doubt that you are. But if you're gonna boast, you should probably post a pic to back that up.

Just not in the Alba thread... unless you're really smokin'.

ToddTT wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I'll start by saying I am a pretty Kemba fan. He just isn't delivering. The two teams that gave up on him may have been more right than wrong. He can definitely still score, but he's not athletic or tall enough to guard starting PGs these days. Guys are running right past him. He isn't fighting over screens. I think his starting job has to be sacrificed at this point.

Listen, we don't doubt that you are. But if you're gonna boast, you should probably post a pic to back that up.

Just not in the Alba thread... unless you're really smokin'.

Lol. “Pretty big” not pretty. Not pretty at all! Lol.