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diderotn
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11/5/2004  9:18 AM
Penny in his own way is teaching our guys how to be team players. It is not a matter of being on the court, sometimes you can also do great things from being on the bench. TT pissed me off with the comments that he made about his lackluster performance. He could have at least acknowledge the fact that he could have impacted the game in different ways, but he didn't. That to me is a lack of leadership and a lack of understanding the game of basketball. 3/13, 4 rbs, not stls, no free throws, and no blocks nor assists, is what he should have been talking about. As far as him talking about his inability to score, to me pissed me off.

If I were Lenny or Isiah, I would have passed him a note as such: TT!!!!, no free throws???, Blks???, Stls??, Assists????? you can never be among the best.

Over all, I am very happy with Penny. I hope that Lenny finds plenty of minutes for this cat, because he can still play the game.




Such a youth movement for the Knicks can only be a good thing, as Penny Hardaway sees it.

"Whoever has the hot hand at that point, that's where you need to be," Hardaway said. "You're trying to win games, not play by egos. You can't have egos going on. If you get upset, then that just shows you're not a team guy.
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11/5/2004  9:36 AM
Here is the quote that botters me the most about this whole interview

"but the main objective is to keep going, keep shooting, and that's what I'm going to do," he said.

Why not crash the board, block shots, show your presence on the court by playing hard nose defense.......




"You're going to have nights like that, but the main objective is to keep going, keep shooting, and that's what I'm going to do," he said. "As a player, you always want to be on the court. You don't ever want to come out of the game, never ever. But we're not player-slash-coaches, so when Coach makes a decision, you have to live with it. That's all about team basketball. He made a decision to go with Trev, and that was it."

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11/5/2004  9:37 AM
Amen to that comment by Penny. If we get Erob, T.T is definately going to have to step his game up because if he is off then he doesn't impact the game at all. He is invisible. Wally lit him up like somethin' bad. And for T.T to have no assist or freethrows is "Ludicris". Atleast get to the freethrow line. Anyway, I would like to see Erob play on the Knicks especially since Jamal said he was their best shooter last year.
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11/5/2004  9:40 AM
Typical TT. It's never his fault. If something isn't working, he keeps doing it anyway. To his credit, he did look active on the glass, but it figures that when he finally figures that out, he forgets about the rest of the game!
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11/5/2004  9:43 AM
Well, on second thought, the rebounding number was a mere 4 despite a lot of early rebounds. I think it's safe to say a donkey could have delivered a better performance!
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11/5/2004  9:55 AM
Who is TT's mentor?? I know that Marburry has Isiah and Lenny, Crawff has Houston and Isiah, Sweet and Naser have Agwire, who is TT's mentor?? This dude definitely needs someone to be around him to criticize and pad him in the back when he needs it. For him to have that much talent and doesn't know how and when to use it is absurd. Somebody from our team needs to adopt this kid, but the problem is that he appears to be a ****y dude with a lot of mouth. It will have to take a strong will individual to deal with him. His comments say a lot about his basketball savvy. You can be very talented, but have no basketball savvy.
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11/5/2004  10:00 AM
T.T needs someone to chop him in the throat.
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11/5/2004  10:04 AM
Maybe Penny can assume that role, but the problem is that Penny wants his position. Why wouldn't he?? Come to think about it, Penny's numbers could have been much better if he was to be in that rotation. With Marb and Crawf at the 1 and 2, Penny could have easily stepped in and contribute a lot more than what TT gave us. For sure he would have had 10, 3boards, at least 4 assts,
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11/5/2004  10:06 AM
You are right, but then that would force Moochie more playing time and we definately don't want that.
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11/5/2004  10:21 AM
Why would Moochie be on the court, specially if Marburry or Crawf can run the point, or better yet, Penny can run the poit?

Marburry, Ariza, TT, Sweeteny, Kurt
Crawf, Penny, Ariza, JYD, Naser
Crawf, Penny, TT, Vinny, Kurt
Marb, Penny, JYD, Kurt, Vinny

are all options that we have. We don't need Moochie at all in that equation. If you think about it, both Crawf and Marb can get considerable amount rest. In fact, all of our player can get considerable amound of playing time and rest in a 10 men rotation.
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11/5/2004  10:21 AM
Posted by Bizzy211:

T.T needs someone to chop him in the throat.

But then he would call them a Fugazy.
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11/5/2004  10:24 AM
We don't need Moochie at all in that equation.

I couldn't agree more. The more he plays, the less our chances of winning.
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11/5/2004  10:26 AM
THIS SHOULD BE OUR STARTING LINEUP:
Marb, Crawf, TT, Sweetney, and Kurt. After that, substitute with the other 4 lineups that I posted

Marburry, Ariza, TT, Sweeteny, Kurt
Crawf, Penny, Ariza, JYD, Naser
Crawf, Penny, TT, Vinny, Kurt
Marb, Penny, JYD, Kurt, Vinny
Posted by diderotn:

Why would Moochie be on the court, specially if Marburry or Crawf can run the point, or better yet, Penny can run the poit?

Marburry, Ariza, TT, Sweeteny, Kurt
Crawf, Penny, Ariza, JYD, Naser
Crawf, Penny, TT, Vinny, Kurt
Marb, Penny, JYD, Kurt, Vinny

are all options that we have. We don't need Moochie at all in that equation. If you think about it, both Crawf and Marb can get considerable amount rest. In fact, all of our player can get considerable amound of playing time and rest in a 10 men rotation.
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11/5/2004  10:52 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Why would Moochie be on the court, specially if Marburry or Crawf can run the point, or better yet, Penny can run the poit?

Marburry, Ariza, TT, Sweeteny, Kurt
Crawf, Penny, Ariza, JYD, Naser
Crawf, Penny, TT, Vinny, Kurt
Marb, Penny, JYD, Kurt, Vinny

are all options that we have. We don't need Moochie at all in that equation. If you think about it, both Crawf and Marb can get considerable amount rest. In fact, all of our player can get considerable amound of playing time and rest in a 10 men rotation.

I wouldn't run Ariza at SG until his shot selection get better, but I see your point in things, but u aren't running the team are you. Lenny is and he seems to like the 11 man rotation for these early games so Marbs isn't overworked. Playing Penny at SF will mean more time for Moochie I believe.
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11/5/2004  10:53 AM
I would think Mark Mcguire is his mentor. They played the same position.

Its just one game, so lets not make 10 trades over it.

His lack of rebounding bothered me, and the fact he is is most effective 20 ft away also stinks.

Yes, as bad as KVH shot, his rebounding was almost double of TT. TT is far softer than KVH is/was.

ANd I think Doleac is better than Nazr.

Can't fault Isiah for trying.
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11/5/2004  12:22 PM
That I agree with. I sure miss Doleac too. As for the comparison of TT for KVH, I disagree. TT has it in him, he just doesn't bring it every night. That is where Marburry or Lenny should step in. Marb as the floor leader should be the monitor of things such as when guys are cold or hot. If a guy is not hot, he should be directing him to do other things until he start feeling it. Simple. A leader must also be a coach on the court. I.E. Marburry should be telling TT to crash the board or play tougher defense, that is part of his duty as a Captain.

Posted by Nalod:

I would think Mark Mcguire is his mentor. They played the same position.

Its just one game, so lets not make 10 trades over it.

His lack of rebounding bothered me, and the fact he is is most effective 20 ft away also stinks.

Yes, as bad as KVH shot, his rebounding was almost double of TT. TT is far softer than KVH is/was.

ANd I think Doleac is better than Nazr.

Can't fault Isiah for trying.
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11/5/2004  12:33 PM
I will agree and disagree with you at the same time. TT has mad game. The problem with him is the fact that he didn't try to make the game better for himself by finding other ways to score or better yet by being a little more effective while he was in the game. I know that I have said this many times, if he was to play a little better D on Zerb, crash the board for put back, penetrate instead of shooting jumpers, I can honestly guaranty you that Lenny wouldn' t have replaced him with Ariza. Ariza did all of the things that I have just mentioned, therfore he earned the minutes that he was given. Again, you don't have to score to be effective. Jordan has had games where he only scored 6 or 7 points, but the other things that he did during the game were spectacular, I.E. blocking shots, shut down the oponent best player, crash the board, and creating fouls for himself. TT has all those qualities, but he doesn't have the savvy yet.
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11/5/2004  1:59 PM
"Talent without perseverance is like a car without an engine."
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11/5/2004  2:06 PM


This "its in him" is total crap. If it don't come out, it ain't there! Its the result. This guy is insconsistant, soft, and a mental midget.

HE spewed all kinds of kick ass gazy language and has not stepped up a dam thing. This guy either gets it done, or he sits. He will either take advantage of this opportunity or we can talk buy out next year.

I hope he does it, really, but lets stop making exuses for a dude making 12million and underachieving.
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Posted by Nalod:



This "its in him" is total crap. If it don't come out, it ain't there! Its the result. This guy is insconsistant, soft, and a mental midget.

HE spewed all kinds of kick ass gazy language and has not stepped up a dam thing. This guy either gets it done, or he sits. He will either take advantage of this opportunity or we can talk buy out next year.

I hope he does it, really, but lets stop making exuses for a dude making 12million and underachieving.

I thought TT would come out with a chip on his shoulder to start the season and put up some good numbers to start,I wasnt sure if he could maintain that intensity though.With all the talk,all the threats,the promises to come back and put up numbers like we have been seeing since pre-season is beyond sad.Its still early so who knows?

As much as I have my reservations about Lenny as a coach at least he isnt afraid to play with the lineup and bench overpaid underachievers like TT for hungry young players like Ariza and Sweetney.I cant wait till january to see them play.
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