I would trade him at the dead line if he has any value, because he's skills are just to limited

TheGame wrote:Mitch is still getting into shape and needs to probably drop 10 pounds. He will play better and his hands are much better that Noel’s. To the topic, Mitch is getting an offer from the Knicks that pays him at least $12 million. He is too good and too young to let him go for nothing. The only issue is whether Mitch warrants a larger deal. I would not pay him more than $15 million a year and I would try to get him down to $12-$13 mil. Mitch will sign that unless he gets a better offer. If another team offers him $18-$20 mil plus per year, I would pass. Noel is at least 90% of Mitch and that Sims kid looks promising.

I would shop Mitch and try to see what we can get (probably draft picks)

Not only do we already have Noel but there’s always guys like Robin Lopez, Dwight Howard, Deandre Jordan we can get on cheap 1 year deals to give us depth at C next summer.

Our main targets next year in free agency need to be Zach Lavine or Ricky Rubio

houston20 wrote:I know mitch robinson is coming back from injury but he still hasn't improve offensively if isn't a dunk he got no move on offense. Mitch robinson is screwing himself over if he wants a next contract with the the knicks more likely 4 years 30 million then 80 million over 4 years. Mitch robinson got know this leon rose was agent he knows mitch robinson is acting crazy with these 6 agents he fired is a red flag not going get him pay. Like tonight mitch robinson got out played by jared allen badly and there wasn't even close. Mitch robinson is only average 7 point and 8 rebounds this season compare to mo banmba of magic who is averaging 11 points and 9 rebounds this season. If Mitch robinson isn't going to get new contract that he wants if he continues to play like this.

Reality and expectations have to set in at some point for Mitch. Fractured his right hand this past Feb and broke his foot in March.

Literally was only able to start practicing full time a couple of weeks ago.

When exactly was he supposed to practice that jumpshot with the rehab on the foot still ongoing?

I get maybe FT's, but everything after that needs to be put in perspective just a bit

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Mitch is still getting into shape and needs to probably drop 10 pounds. He will play better and his hands are much better that Noel’s. To the topic, Mitch is getting an offer from the Knicks that pays him at least $12 million. He is too good and too young to let him go for nothing. The only issue is whether Mitch warrants a larger deal. I would not pay him more than $15 million a year and I would try to get him down to $12-$13 mil. Mitch will sign that unless he gets a better offer. If another team offers him $18-$20 mil plus per year, I would pass. Noel is at least 90% of Mitch and that Sims kid looks promising.

I would shop Mitch and try to see what we can get (probably draft picks)

Not only do we already have Noel but there’s always guys like Robin Lopez, Dwight Howard, Deandre Jordan we can get on cheap 1 year deals to give us depth at C next summer.

Our main targets next year in free agency need to be Zach Lavine or Ricky Rubio

Nerlens Noel signed a 3 year / $27,720,000 contract with the New York Knicks, including $27,720,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $9,240,000. In 2021-22, Noel will earn a base salary of $8,800,000, while carrying a cap hit of $8,800,000 and a dead cap value of $8,800,000.

Very reasonable given our circumstances as mitch had a broken foot and his long term status given his contract is not known. Mitch is demonstrating to be worth 12mm per and I’d give him that.

What is the Litmus test for that? The GM has to determine if the player can maintain or exceed that and is he tradable at that salary. If not let him walk. Sometimes to improve you let guys walk. Gotta keep doors open. Its how we got randle. Its how Cavs got Allen (via trade but at a good price). This was after they traded for Drummond and let him walk. They never commited to Drummond. Fans dont always see it because we not privy to the inner thoughts of the GM playing the chess board.

Also in the new contract subject is Kevin Knox. Doe he get a shot to be in the rotation and if so what is he improving? In the Gleague is Semantic who at 6-10 has a similar issue. Low motor but can shoot.

Knicks have reached middle of the pack status and I think we all agree we need more. Upgrades to move up.

Upside guys and keepers:

Randle
RJ
Obi

Upside and undetermined:
Griimes
McBride
Mitch
Simms
Obi
Semantic

Middle talent:
Fournier
Burks
Noel

Value Favorites for short term:
Rose
Walker
Gibson

On the way out;
Seldon
K KNox.

Any of this can change. For example Knox might get his chance and make good earning spot in rotation or as likely trade fodder as part of another deal.

We have balance with yoot and veteran presence. Its why we middle of the pack. Im not discontent BTW, we only just got here last season and upgrading thru trade or development is not easy to predict.

smackeddog wrote:a) Mitch always starts the season off slow
b) He couldn't work on his game in the offseason because he had a boot on- all he could do was add muscle and shoot free throws
c) He doesn't have his conditioning yet because he had a frickin boot on until the end of preseason
d) He has to get use to playing with extra weight
e ) it's not even been 10 games
f) Knick fans are the best fans in the world- who wouldn't want to play for such supportive, patient folk

More excuses

It would be one thing if he looked better prior to the injury, but he looks slower, his IQ dropped, and he can't guard the perimeter.

Evan Mobley looked like he's been in the league for 4 yrs and Mitch looked like the Rookie.

Mitch's game is nowhere near the Modern day NBA center and he can't defend the Modern day center.

How many games does it take for you to see that he will never take a perimeter shot, I would figure after a 167 games played, 840 shot attempts in 3+ yrs with only 2 face up jump shot attempts, you still hold hope..That's a wishful think

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:a) Mitch always starts the season off slow
b) He couldn't work on his game in the offseason because he had a boot on- all he could do was add muscle and shoot free throws
c) He doesn't have his conditioning yet because he had a frickin boot on until the end of preseason
d) He has to get use to playing with extra weight
e ) it's not even been 10 games
f) Knick fans are the best fans in the world- who wouldn't want to play for such supportive, patient folk

More excuses

It would be one thing if he looked better prior to the injury, but he looks slower, his IQ dropped, and he can't guard the perimeter.

Evan Mobley looked like he's been in the league for 4 yrs and Mitch looked like the Rookie.

Mitch's game is nowhere near the Modern day NBA center and he can't defend the Modern day center.

How many games does it take for you to see that he will never take a perimeter shot, I would figure after a 167 games played, 840 shot attempts in 3+ yrs with only 2 face up jump shot attempts, you still hold hope..That's a wishful think

smackeddog wrote:a) Mitch always starts the season off slow
b) He couldn't work on his game in the offseason because he had a boot on- all he could do was add muscle and shoot free throws
c) He doesn't have his conditioning yet because he had a frickin boot on until the end of preseason
d) He has to get use to playing with extra weight
e ) it's not even been 10 games
f) Knick fans are the best fans in the world- who wouldn't want to play for such supportive, patient folk

Voice of reason. It is rather unfortunate but what can we do? We just gotta back our guy and hope he can pick off where he left off soon.