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That was the best game of the year by far! How do we play better when Rose is not on floor?
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BRIGGS
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11/6/2021  8:05 AM
Noel and Rose SPECTACULAR. Noel was Deing up anyone he took--absolutely stopped Giannis. Derrick Rose man what can anyone say about this guy other than hes a godsend?
Nice game for Julius too--exactly how he needs to play. Barett solid every game.

Where our team floundered was through Mitch Kemba and fourmier. When these guys are on the court we play too much 3 ball and were loose on the D. Mitch needs to lose 10-15 pounds to get back to himself--hes too slow right now Noel coming back from injury looks much more fluid.

Rose's play is great because he DOES NOT focus on the 3. He gets GREAT shots is tight with the ball and honestly plays solid D. Rose is probably 6-3 and Kemba 5-10---Kemba has to use his body more and use straight angle drives like Rose does. When you start hoisting 40 3s the game will have an uneven outcome because its a tough way to play all the time if u dont have Steph curry on your team. We took GREAT shots last night. We made shots and were able to SET UP on D MUCH LESS transition. Quickley did a good job picking up 3/4 Q his D last night was very good.
I knew the Knicks would win last night I picked them 6-10 spread--almost went 11-15 but they won by 20!! We played the Bucks tough last year and they were down Middleton and Lopez. We found a formula of less 3 better % shots and great D Knicks of last year. And it showed we DO NOT need more 3's we just need good shots.

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11/6/2021  9:30 AM
If Kemba is struggling, give some of his minutes to Burks, IQ, and Grimes.

Burks and IQ for their hustle and PG duties.

Grimes for the defensive upgrade alone. Any offense would be icing on the cake.

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11/6/2021  10:15 AM
I was very happy to keep Noel, because you can see how I'm a game likeast night, he covers so much ground on D that he turns normal defense into elite defense. Guy is so disruptive with his athleticism, court coverage and length. Last night he had a bunch of steals and his defense created fast breaks. Now that he is back in the fold we can really judge the Knicks D. Not sure why everyone thinks Bullock was the difference maker we were missing, when last year it was really all about Noel.
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11/6/2021  10:43 AM
Rose was nothing short of fantastic last night. No doubt. Is that the Rose we get every game? No but he’s still a good to very good 6th man
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11/6/2021  11:09 AM
We got Kemba for peanuts, so I don't think him or the press would be against reducing his minutes. I'm sure he's playing hurt, so the extra minutes for someone else, is reduced wear on Kemba's knees. We need them both (Kemba and Rose). Kemba can take over games when his 3 pt shot is on. If his shot isn't falling, need to pull him. During his young (and too early to make any judgements) knick career, Kemba hasn't shown the capability of going from scorer to playmaker, when his shot isn't falling. With Kembas size, he relies purely on speed and first step / off balance hessy moves and crossovers. Well, as we age, speed is the first to slow down, especially after multiple surgies and chronic knee pains.

Rose game is a mix of speed and power. And he simply looks like hes in mid season form. Shows you the amount of work he put in the off season. But I still think Rose is better as a swiss arm knife off the bench, filling in where the team needs are, at that moment in time. So depending on how Kemba and EF starts, and the score of the game, determines where and how Rose should impact the game. I have Rose and EF on my fantasy team. I actually dropped Rose during our early winning, streak when he was putting up average numbers. But during games where we are behind or it's close, Rose steps up. He's the glue guy / spark plug we need and should stay in that role, for the benifit of the team. But imagine when Kemba gets his legs back or when EF finds his shooting stroke.

This team can be dangerous, when everybody is on their game. Just purely on offense alone. Defense is something that will improve over time as a team. Noel helps....Still need Mitch size, but you gotta like the twin towers protecting the rim.

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11/6/2021  12:11 PM
Kemba played 15 minutes so Thibs is going to use him accordingly to how good he's playing.

The same 4 key guys (noel, Rj, Randle, Rose) from last season is the same 4 guys that got us the win last night.

It's time to put Mitch on the bench because noel is the smarter, stronger, better defender and faster player.

Obi needs 20 minute, if you take 5 away from mitch, and 5 away from kemba, you can give him 20 to 23 min.

This was an ok game, the Bucks have been struggling, and falling behind 21 making Grayson look like KLAY was embarrassing.

ES
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11/6/2021  12:21 PM
someone has said this before here, but Rose is our best player/talent. And I'm glad we kept Noel- he was just a monster last night.
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11/6/2021  1:32 PM

Found this on Twitter. Not only that but Rose led the team in +/- last year too. He only played in 35 games, thats insane. We are 2 different teams. The one with Derrick Rose is an elite basketball team. The one without him is .500

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11/6/2021  1:46 PM
franco12 wrote:someone has said this before here, but Rose is our best player/talent. And I'm glad we kept Noel- he was just a monster last night.

And both contracts got panned this offseason as over pays

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11/6/2021  2:36 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Noel and Rose SPECTACULAR. Noel was Deing up anyone he took--absolutely stopped Giannis. Derrick Rose man what can anyone say about this guy other than hes a godsend?
Nice game for Julius too--exactly how he needs to play. Barett solid every game.

Where our team floundered was through Mitch Kemba and fourmier. When these guys are on the court we play too much 3 ball and were loose on the D. Mitch needs to lose 10-15 pounds to get back to himself--hes too slow right now Noel coming back from injury looks much more fluid.

Rose's play is great because he DOES NOT focus on the 3. He gets GREAT shots is tight with the ball and honestly plays solid D. Rose is probably 6-3 and Kemba 5-10---Kemba has to use his body more and use straight angle drives like Rose does.
When you start hoisting 40 3s the game will have an uneven outcome because its a tough way to play all the time if u dont have Steph curry on your team. We took GREAT shots last night. We made shots and were able to SET UP on D MUCH LESS transition. Quickley did a good job picking up 3/4 Q his D last night was very good.
I knew the Knicks would win last night I picked them 6-10 spread--almost went 11-15 but they won by 20!! We played the Bucks tough last year and they were down Middleton and Lopez. We found a formula of less 3 better % shots and great D Knicks of last year. And it showed we DO NOT need more 3's we just need good shots.

The reality is that Kemba isn't that guy anymore. He doesn't drive or get to the line as much anymore. It is what it is. But Kemba is sill an upgrade over Elf. Also, IQ penetrating and passing chops are improving. There's still some upside left in the PG position.

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11/6/2021  2:45 PM
smackeddog wrote:
franco12 wrote:someone has said this before here, but Rose is our best player/talent. And I'm glad we kept Noel- he was just a monster last night.

And both contracts got panned this offseason as over pays

Robinson’s conditioning is still an issue for the first unit. He is definitely got less bounce. I think the comment about dropping a few lbs probably makes sense. He definitely needed to adjust to that weight.

I don’t see the quick twitch in his bounce so far this season.

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11/6/2021  3:15 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
franco12 wrote:someone has said this before here, but Rose is our best player/talent. And I'm glad we kept Noel- he was just a monster last night.

And both contracts got panned this offseason as over pays

Robinson’s conditioning is still an issue for the first unit. He is definitely got less bounce. I think the comment about dropping a few lbs probably makes sense. He definitely needed to adjust to that weight.

I don’t see the quick twitch in his bounce so far this season.


Yeah. Thibs made it sound like Mitch would probably need more time in pre-season. The Noel injury probably shifted the timeline for Mitch's return, but it's clear that his conditioning is off.
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11/6/2021  3:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2021  3:37 PM
Mitch comparison to Noel. Depends what team we are playing one might perform better against certain teams. I don’t think either are going anywhere so it’s not a competition. They are our centers.


I just want them both to
Improve offensively. We could really use a consistent 10-12 points from one of them every night.

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11/6/2021  3:44 PM
I disagree about benching Mitchell Robinson for Nerlens Noel.

Mitchell Robinson is a GREAT defensive Center and absolutely shut down Joel Embiid.

Right now Mitchell Robinson is playing slow due to recovering from injury that kept him sidelined for months including damn near the entire offseason but come game 20 and beyond he's going to become Tom Thibs true DEFENSIVE ANCHOR once he gets his speed quickness and durability back.

Nerlens Noel? He's a sparkplug off the bench alongside of Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose and Nerlens Noel off the bench is the backup FIREPOWER we'll need especially come postseason play.

And once Immanuel Quickley gets back into the swing of things a bench trio of Rose/IQ/Noel is going to become a backup trio to reckoned with.

Not having Mitchell Robinson as our starting Center vs. Atlanta is the #1 reason why Clint Capela feasted against us and the #1 reason why ATL eliminated us.

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11/6/2021  4:59 PM
xblvdels3 wrote:Mitch comparison to Noel. Depends what team we are playing one might perform better against certain teams. I don’t think either are going anywhere so it’s not a competition. They are our centers.


I just want them both to
Improve offensively. We could really use a consistent 10-12 points from one of them every night.

Your right just lean on Noel or Mitch dependent on the match up. Against big bodied centers Mitch is the better option

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11/6/2021  5:08 PM
NYKMentality wrote:I disagree about benching Mitchell Robinson for Nerlens Noel.

Mitchell Robinson is a GREAT defensive Center and absolutely shut down Joel Embiid.

Right now Mitchell Robinson is playing slow due to recovering from injury that kept him sidelined for months including damn near the entire offseason but come game 20 and beyond he's going to become Tom Thibs true DEFENSIVE ANCHOR once he gets his speed quickness and durability back.

Nerlens Noel? He's a sparkplug off the bench alongside of Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose and Nerlens Noel off the bench is the backup FIREPOWER we'll need especially come postseason play.

And once Immanuel Quickley gets back into the swing of things a bench trio of Rose/IQ/Noel is going to become a backup trio to reckoned with.

Not having Mitchell Robinson as our starting Center vs. Atlanta is the #1 reason why Clint Capela feasted against us and the #1 reason why ATL eliminated us.

MIght have been "No. 1 reason", but not the only one.......
Dig the propognada you provide but there is a reality besides the insencent commentary viewed thru rose color glasses while you inhale Nitrous oxide (N2O)and tell us how great everyting is and its going to be and how it would have been if Mitch was healthy. Fact is, Norlens was not either and Rose as great and super wonderful he is, still is 33 and physically limited and likely will need rest and have down time.
No less joyful to think last season we wrung out about everything we could from what we had. Yes, I believe we are a better team this year as are others.
If we are destined to rain paper to the team down the canyon of heroes that is the greatest thing in your life since the 1990's it will be thru trials and trubulations and not some fairy tale unicorn wish list.
Mitch shut down Emiid on a single night does not translate to other things. It was great. Mitch is still getting his legs and Joel looked horrible that night. If Mitch did that, so be it. WE could not be happier.
Norlens is cool but why is he here? Why is he a back up? Kid is fragile. Get used to the idea that Mitch might be gone after this season and start working on yoru promo of how Great Jericho Simms is and going to be......."

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11/6/2021  7:52 PM
Mitch shouldn’t start, he’s been disappointing on defense. Horrible on pick and roll defense.
Noel completely changed that game.
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11/6/2021  7:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2021  7:03 PM
This isn't vintage D. Rose...Once upon a time, D Rose had once-in-a-generation type athleticism from the guard position. The knee surgeries robbed him of his otherworldly explosiveness but he is more efficient than he ever was. Not only that, he is the most skilled offensive player on this team.

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11/6/2021  11:45 PM
Rose is an evolved player, being able to replace some of that burst lost with marksmanship. In his MVP seasons his shot was meh and defenses were planned to make him shoot instead of drive. Now Rose has a much more rounded off game that should age very well.
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11/7/2021  12:33 PM
smackeddog wrote:
franco12 wrote:someone has said this before here, but Rose is our best player/talent. And I'm glad we kept Noel- he was just a monster last night.

And both contracts got panned this offseason as over pays

You sure about that, because Leon got props for signing very team friendly contracts.

ES
That was the best game of the year by far! How do we play better when Rose is not on floor?

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