SergioNYK wrote:Happy Ewing got in. I was worried they were going to snub him for some reason. But Bernard King should be there. He was a little before my time but talk to any fan from that era and they will tell you how great he was.

But they should have just named the best 25 players the last 25 years. And keep doing that every 25 years. No reason to re-do a list from 1997.

King is debatable. He had a very brief tenure of greatness. His college career added to his HOF cred that got him in. His depresson and alcohol issues held him back early in his career. He injury robbed him also.
Not all HOFers are in the 75. King retired 27 years ago.

I was more worried about Clyde being left out. He has no season or playoff MVPs.

knicks1248 wrote:I thought they kept the first 50 and just added 25 new members

No Alonzo is a bit surprising

Kept then just added? That be lazy, I see how that would appeal to you.
Alonzo Trier?? LOL…….

Mourning had 8 great seasons then tailed off. Still made to allstar games but it was honorary in a way.
His Chip at age 35 he returned to Miami and was back up to Shaq. Great player, HOF no doubt. He did go toe to toe with the older Ewing for many years but did not have the longevity in the era as others did to earn the honor.

They kept the original 50. I heard clyde recently say he hoped he’d be included in new list.
I guess its good to keep the process of how that oringal 50 was made then delete some.
Robert parsish as a player very much benefited from the team he was on next to Mchale for what propelled his inclusion. Not sure looking back he gets it. Same for Debushcere perhaps but he was a three time allstar before coming to NY, Parish played 4 seasons BEFORE he was a on the Celtics and while his stats did jump, not massively. Longevity really put him over the top as an HOF and top 50/75 that sticks. He earned it.

Earl numbers dropped when he came to knicks. Career he was only a 4 time all star and Rookie of the year. Im happy he on the list and it stuck. The artistry and beauty of him as a player took the league by storm the 4 years before he was a knick. He was a one time champ with them. One can’t argue his impact on the league but objectively look at his stature as top 50/75 with debate.

I get Klay thomspson, but he has missed two full seasons and was 3rd option for two of the three chips.

8xs All NBA (4xs 1st team)
8xs All Star
3xs Defensive player of the year

Uptown wrote:Love Dame Lillard but his inclusion is debatable at this point of his career. The player that I think has a great argument to be included is Dwight Howard. His numbers and accolades seem to warrant inclusion in the top 75. Granted Howard is pretty much a Goon at this point and he didn't win a chip as the lead dog, but, Howard did lead a team the finals. I was never a fan of his game, but his accomplishments are right up there if not better than some of the players who made the list.

8xs All NBA (4xs 1st team)
8xs All Star
3xs Defensive player of the year

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It sounds like both sides no longer have that loving feeling, and a mutual breakup would be best for all.

If people feel bad for Kyrie, start a list of drama queens, headcases, and dumb ****s.

Klay Thompson - I'm okay that he was left off the list. He's been out of mind for a few years. It's tough to be considered great when you don't look as awesome as two teammates that are in the GOAT conversation (Curry and Durant). His moment of brilliance, to be honest, was the playoff game he got hurt. He jumped for that dunk like it was NBA Jam and hasn't played a minute since then.

Kawhi - On the other hand, there's the curious case of Leonard. My top of mind opinion of him is that he's a game changer, but as I thought about it, boy, this guy is injury prone/unhealthy. Over his career, he's played in far less than 80% of his possible games. He is very much as injury prone as guys like KP. :o

When healthy, he's unbelievable. He's had 5 really great seasons if you accept that he most games he's ever played was 74/82 (90%). But after already playing only 16 games one season, he will likely miss most if not all of this one, and he's only 29!

All-NBA/DPOTY defense at his peak, but he's been turning it on and off for a few years now. It looked like he singlehandedly took the Raptors to a title, but after he left, we realized Siakim and VanVleet were young emerging stars in their own right. And what's he been since? Hobbled, minutes/game restrictions. He's had 5 20+ppg seasons. In contrast, Klay also has had 5 20+ppg seasons, but was also productive beginning with his rookie year. But yeah, his place on this list is simply interesting.

Of note, this is an NBA 75 list... this should only discuss accomplishments while wearing an NBA jersey. If you were to include outside accomplishments, you might have a different list of top 75 men's basketball players. The first person I can think of is Pau Gasol. Fantastic NBA accomplishments, but his accomplishments with team Spain are legendary.

Did Bill Walton manage to stick on the list? Yep, he's still there. If you ignore his college greatness, his tenure as an exceptional player was remarkably short... tho sure, if you include Walton, then Kawhi makes sense in that context, even if Kawhi doesn't fully recover and limps himself through another few years.

BigDaddyG wrote:

technomaster wrote:Some interesting stuff here:
Reggie Miller - yeah. Hate him, but the fact that I despise him is a great case that he deserves to be here.

Klay Thompson - I'm okay that he was left off the list. He's been out of mind for a few years. It's tough to be considered great when you don't look as awesome as two teammates that are in the GOAT conversation (Curry and Durant). His moment of brilliance, to be honest, was the playoff game he got hurt. He jumped for that dunk like it was NBA Jam and hasn't played a minute since then.

I'd say Klay over Reggie. Yes, their accolades are close. But 3X time NBA champion just pops off the page. It's the reason I don't have a problem with James Worthy being chosen over someone like Vince Carter. And Klay as a MAJOR contributor on those teams. I think 8 quality seasons from Klay is enough for him to be considered for the list as far as the longevity issue is concerned.
I think you make a good point with Kawhi. But to be the undeniable MVP for one franchise and then go on to carry another franchise to another title is legendary. I think Siakam and VanVleet have proven themselves to be good NBA players, but emerging stars is a bit of a reach. Toronto is already looking to trade Siakam according to reports. I don't have a problem with Kawhi making it he list, though I don't feel that strongly one is at or the other.
Robert Parish kinda falls on that same line as well. Problem is that I don't really have a feel for his performance as a player and I'm just relying on stats. Same with guys like Mikan and Cousy. Could could Cousy play today? Don't believe so. Can I sent that he had a tremendous impact on the game? I can't.

Good stuff! Cousey and Mikan dominated their era. I’d interpret the list to not consider if they can hang today or what they would be. By that standard Clyde would be slow? Would Earls quickness compared to Kyrie or iverson standout as much? Put shaq back in the 60’s he break Wilt and tear down rims across the league.
Parrish played with Bird and Mchale and was not that remarkable before he got traded. His longevity was insane. I suppose criteria also included briefness of greatness which was Walton and Maravich.
Worthy was part of some great teams. Alone debatable.
The list has little to offer but some new bling for clyde and dave Bing.