Marv wrote:bwahahaha. after all the pissing you did in your cornflakes about how obi could NEVER play center in this league, you start a thread like this?

<waits for denial>

Just sayin.

Noel’s injury provided the Knicks an opportunity to take a long look at rookie big man Jericho Sims, who has made the initial 15-man roster. Thibodeau also utilized a smaller lineup in the fourth quarter of Friday’s comeback win against Washington, using Julius Randle at center with Obi Toppin at power forward.

“Yeah, just to change the game. We have good depth,” Thibodeau said. “I think rim protection is important, but sometimes, you have to inject more energy, speed. So, it’s something that I think the way Obi has grown, I think it will allow us to do that more.”

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:bwahahaha. after all the pissing you did in your cornflakes about how obi could NEVER play center in this league, you start a thread like this?

<waits for denial>

Ahhhhh, when was OBI playing Center, he was still playing the only position he's good at..PF.

The game is being played so fast, and players are shooting just an unbelievable amount of 3's from every position on the floor.

just pay attn to mitch in these highlights, he is just slow AF, and his IQ is just low. I mean he'll make some good plays here and there, but dudes are just flying by him on a regular

all right i stand corrected but that felt good anyway

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:bwahahaha. after all the pissing you did in your cornflakes about how obi could NEVER play center in this league, you start a thread like this?

<waits for denial>

Ahhhhh, when was OBI playing Center, he was still playing the only position he's good at..PF.

The game is being played so fast, and players are shooting just an unbelievable amount of 3's from every position on the floor.

just pay attn to mitch in these highlights, he is just slow AF, and his IQ is just low. I mean he'll make some good plays here and there, but dudes are just flying by him on a regular

Little aggressive. Robinson certainly didn't look ready to play 28 minutes. That said, I think some of the worst plays were where the defense failed to rotate or the opposing guard got a foot forward in a PnR. He didn't have the same bounce that he had in prior years. So much of this is analyzing a guy's first game back. He was sluggish most of the game. He acknowledged that himself - so this isn't a revelation or a condemnation. Its a work in process.

I saw some real positive though. For instance. he made that 3/4 length outlet pass to Barrett. I saw him closing out to the three point line, even if he was a step slow. I saw him aggressive when he had the ball. I saw him bodying other players.

Easily needs another 10 games to get back to form. Maybe needs a season to understand his new weight.

I'm still a huge fan of his growth.

That's the measuring stick?

martin wrote:At the end of the game Obi and Randle were going up against the stout front court of Daniel Gafford and Avdija while patrolling the paint again rim runners in Neto, KCP and Kispert?

That's the measuring stick?

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:bwahahaha. after all the pissing you did in your cornflakes about how obi could NEVER play center in this league, you start a thread like this?

<waits for denial>

Ahhhhh, when was OBI playing Center, he was still playing the only position he's good at..PF.

The game is being played so fast, and players are shooting just an unbelievable amount of 3's from every position on the floor.

just pay attn to mitch in these highlights, he is just slow AF, and his IQ is just low. I mean he'll make some good plays here and there, but dudes are just flying by him on a regular

Little aggressive. Robinson certainly didn't look ready to play 28 minutes. That said, I think some of the worst plays were where the defense failed to rotate or the opposing guard got a foot forward in a PnR. He didn't have the same bounce that he had in prior years. So much of this is analyzing a guy's first game back. He was sluggish most of the game. He acknowledged that himself - so this isn't a revelation or a condemnation. Its a work in process.

I saw some real positive though. For instance. he made that 3/4 length outlet pass to Barrett. I saw him closing out to the three point line, even if he was a step slow. I saw him aggressive when he had the ball. I saw him bodying other players.

Easily needs another 10 games to get back to form. Maybe needs a season to understand his new weight.

I'm still a huge fan of his growth.

Growth?

where exactly is the growth other than he stop committing silly fouls after 2 1/2 seasons.

I like Mitch, but this dude has to ADAPT to todays game and the way it's played..

All he can do is dunk the ball.... maybe it's just my expectations, but I need to see more if im extending his contract.

He was laboring down the court before the injury, and it's gotten worse for obvious reasons, he is usually the last guy down court on offense, the ball handler is usually 10 yards ahead of him, so forget about him on most fast breaks.

You can't even run a baseline back door because he's already in the paint, so he it makes easy for his man to protect the penetration and keep a him at arms length.

even on defense he was scared to come out and guard Harrell on the perimeter, because of fear of the blow by, so harrell drained a 15 footer right in his grill because he gave him 3 feet

Growth - as in put on 30 lbs of muscle.

Using this first game back to generalize about his overall skill set is just a waste of time. His conditioning is not there yet. I don't think you can extrapolate his performance for this season or his career based on this game. He was clearly sluggish and slow footed.

He was chasing guards out to the perimeter all game. This is my point about the lack of defensive rotations (or communication). Robinson is chasing Beal to the 3pt line all day while the guards are getting lost on PnRs. He's pinning his man and no one is rotating to guard the 3 ball.

Regardless - as a first game back, I am still encouraged. I think you are looking for reasons to knock the guy while I am happy he is on the court - something you said would not happen until January in other threads.

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:bwahahaha. after all the pissing you did in your cornflakes about how obi could NEVER play center in this league, you start a thread like this?

<waits for denial>

Ahhhhh, when was OBI playing Center, he was still playing the only position he's good at..PF.

The game is being played so fast, and players are shooting just an unbelievable amount of 3's from every position on the floor.

just pay attn to mitch in these highlights, he is just slow AF, and his IQ is just low. I mean he'll make some good plays here and there, but dudes are just flying by him on a regular

Little aggressive. Robinson certainly didn't look ready to play 28 minutes. That said, I think some of the worst plays were where the defense failed to rotate or the opposing guard got a foot forward in a PnR. He didn't have the same bounce that he had in prior years. So much of this is analyzing a guy's first game back. He was sluggish most of the game. He acknowledged that himself - so this isn't a revelation or a condemnation. Its a work in process.

I saw some real positive though. For instance. he made that 3/4 length outlet pass to Barrett. I saw him closing out to the three point line, even if he was a step slow. I saw him aggressive when he had the ball. I saw him bodying other players.

Easily needs another 10 games to get back to form. Maybe needs a season to understand his new weight.

I'm still a huge fan of his growth.

Growth?

where exactly is the growth other than he stop committing silly fouls after 2 1/2 seasons.

I like Mitch, but this dude has to ADAPT to todays game and the way it's played..

All he can do is dunk the ball.... maybe it's just my expectations, but I need to see more if im extending his contract.

He was laboring down the court before the injury, and it's gotten worse for obvious reasons, he is usually the last guy down court on offense, the ball handler is usually 10 yards ahead of him, so forget about him on most fast breaks.

You can't even run a baseline back door because he's already in the paint, so he it makes easy for his man to protect the penetration and keep a him at arms length.

even on defense he was scared to come out and guard Harrell on the perimeter, because of fear of the blow by, so harrell drained a 15 footer right in his grill because he gave him 3 feet

You lost any sympathy I had with this post. Harrell shooting a 15 footer is a win for the defense. He has to make 3 of those before I worry about guarding him.