Even though Grimes did not shoot well he played well. Looks the part. I also like the Obie activity.

I wonder at some point if we start grimes and play Fournier off the bench. We’re getting down double digits again. Same same same

BRIGGS wrote:Same thing as last year. Rose and Randle have to bail us out. iq also doesn’t look much improved at all

Even though Grimes did not shoot well he played well. Looks the part. I also like the Obie activity.

I wonder at some point if we start grimes and play Fournier off the bench. We’re getting down double digits again. Same same same

I blame the slow starts on Taj Gibson, more than Fournier, Kemba.
Taj Gibson is not a starting center, wizards and Pistons both feasted in the paint and on pick and rolls while he was in the game. And fouled out, in 20 minutes.
The game changed when put Mitch in and Obi at the 5.
I got the feeling yesterday, after seeing the way Obi played at the 5 with Randle.
I don’t see any spot in the rotation for Taj after Mitch and Noel get healthy.

Don't be unreasonable.

BRIGGS wrote:Same thing as last year. Rose and Randle have to bail us out. iq also doesn’t look much improved at all

Even though Grimes did not shoot well he played well. Looks the part. I also like the Obie activity.

I wonder at some point if we start grimes and play Fournier off the bench. We’re getting down double digits again. Same same same

Serious question: How does this happen every year?

RJ Barrett's breakout should be fresh in ALL our minds.

When did that happen?

The preaseason?

Openning night?

Nope - game 13.

We saw it happen, yes somehow those who think themselves as "fans" can't remember it.

You don't make these judgement in the preseason and/or after a handful of games.

You just don't.

Because sports.

BRIGGS wrote:No. We need these guys to play better
Randle and Rose incredible. I just need helpful. So far at full boat that’s not the case. We were trying so no preseason bs. Play better

You can't explain professional sports to people who don't understand professional sports.

It's correctly measured in weeks and months and seasons, not innings, quarters, games or even days.

It seems near impossible people who watch it all the time don't grasp that.

But here we are.

technomaster wrote:I think we've already seen what Fournier and Kemba can do for the team. The Knicks over the pre-season have played with a pace and fluidity on offense rarely seen last year. Fournier, more so than anything else, is a playmaker. Fast decisions, makes the defense react and commit, creates movement. Kemba is more of the same. And both of these guys can hit the perimeter shot.

Fournier/Walker, having earned their big contracts, don't need to be greedy to prove themselves for the next big contract. All of these pros have egos, but given that they came to the Knicks to be part of a winning team and NOT to be the superstars, they can focus on the goal of making their teammates and the team overall look good.

RJ looks ready to take another step forward and he'll need to continue to get more opportunities to continue his development. Fournier is good enough as a veteran to hold his own vs RJ and rightly demand his own touches. But I think he understands that he's here to support RJ's ascent... and if RJ isn't ready, step in and take over when needed from the wing.

I totally agree. I am not as down on EF as some people. His defense is not as bad people said. He has not shot well yet but his fit on the team has been huge for our overall scoring. The space he creates with his passing, driving and overall decision making is not getting enough credit. How much better has our offense gotten this year and the only main changes in guys who get major playing time is EF and Kemba. It's easy to ignore when they themselves are not taking advantage of the space but others are. I do not want to go back to a steady diet of Zones and ISO hero ball because we have no space on offense.

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No. We need these guys to play better
Randle and Rose incredible. I just need helpful. So far at full boat that’s not the case. We were trying so no preseason bs. Play better

You can't explain professional sports to people who don't understand professional sports.

It's correctly measured in weeks and months and seasons, not innings, quarters, games or even days.

It seems near impossible people who watch it all the time don't grasp that.

But here we are.

True. Its also measured in increments. Full season stats say one thing. Three game increments might demonstrate patterns.

Sure, it might.

But we don't know if it is, and then it just becomes a guessing game of unreliable indications.

Orlando Magic MIGHT have been a playoff team when they started 4-0 and 6-2 last season.

Barrett MIGHT have done more harm than good when he changed his shot last offseason and started out shooting like .250 from 3 for the first month of last season.

The indisputable fact is the smaller the sample size the less reliable the "patterns" are and people who follow sports closely shouldn't need splits to recognize this. They should know it better than anyone.

It's IMPOSSIBLE not to see it in plain sight unless you're trying hard not to.

And I'm even gonna mention to this point in time we're effectively about practice.

Practice.

We're talking about practice.

Practice.

Don’t we all………….