gradyandrew wrote:At the end of the day it's entertainment. There's a lot of fun in just having a competitive team. For the players， I think it's the goal but as fans we should just be happy with the process. It's a lot of fun rooting for great players who want to be here and watching guys grow up here. Losing Frye，David Lee，Landry Fields， and Nate Robinson was tough. I'm a sentimental fan，that's why I wanted to see Frank get the start vs Atlanta and I still hope Knox emerges as a knockdown shooter and dunker off the 3 point line.

Theres an ultimate goal as a fan--winning. Of course theres different level of fans--and of course its all a form of entertainment but there is something special about being a champion. I think as a player you must believe in your heart you can win--beat anyone. I think the Knicks might just have a team like that. And this is the first time in 20+ years

TheGame wrote:The goal for every game is to win. This team definitely wants to make it to the playoffs and go as far as they can. However, the more important thing is for management to do what they did this past offseason. Evaluate the team’s weaknesses and then get players that fix the weakness. We learned last year that the team did not have enough offensive weapons, so they went and got Kemba and Evan. The team will go through the playoffs this year and management will evaluate where we are weak. The team should have the attitude that they are going to go all the way but the more realistic goal for this year will be to make it out of the first round.

This is how I see it. The goal will be to get a top 3 seed and an easier first round opponent. I don't think the Knicks are at a level yet where they can beat the Bucks or Nets in a series，those teams are too good. If the Knicks make it to the second round with their assets and cap space intact，they then can make a strong run for an All NBA type guy. I think KAT is the goal there. He needs a new start and it's not going to happen in Minnesota. I'm not sure about how Thibs sees it but it seems like KAT has the talent to be a Finals MVP.

smackeddog wrote:It's more about the journey for me- sure a chip would be great, but the 90s Knicks meant a lot to me because of the journey, the way they played etc. Would anyone have preferred the 90s to have been a Brooklyn Nets style star gathering who won a chip the following year?

I had the luxury of enjoying it with my other teams also and its so rewarding. I was a season ticket holder through all those Yankee runs in the 90-00s and saw all that young talent come up. Same with the Giants and watching Eli and crew over the years.

I'm glad 2013 was a joke to some people.

We've got a fragile, yet exciting platoon at PG, El Cid Satan is gone, Frankie isn't around to be kicked anymore, and Kevin Knox will be a slightly interesting bit piece in replacement for the board. Somehow, I doubt he's as polarizing as Frankie ended up being (and still is, God bless his soul).

A pile of good yoots, solid vets, and an All Star who I really think is going to have one huge chip on his shoulders, if he's even reading a fraction of what's been written and reported about him. Just what we would want. A possibly angry man who works insanely hard and gets others to do the same. Big contract let down. Stage fright and wetting the bed in front of people. Not sustainable. No real track record. I'd have all that crap made into posters and hung all over the locker room and Tarrytown. Hopefully Thibs is pressing all the right buttons with Randle as well.

And RJ, in the wings, quietly.

I be so happy!

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

jrodmc wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

FANATIC. It's not that hard to understand. Maybe BRIGGS hasn't let go of his inner NBA Rookie of the Year dreams yet. I know I'm still running full court at 60 all summer long and would verbally punch someone in the face if they keep trying to tell me that the Knicks aren't worth the time of day. I absolutely love this game and the Knicks.

Maybe some people don't worry as much about the uncool blight of homerism as others do.

Very hard to understand. Was described as a "goal." (I'm quoting).

So how does a person who watches on TV work towards the goal of the Knicks winning a championship this season?

That's a perfectly reasonable question...

Or maybe some people treat their favorite NBA basketball team as something a bit more personally motivating than watching TV while sucking down fast food.

Motivating to what?

Again, what's the practical application here?

By the way, Lauletta says Hi!

Eli Manning's pointless, well below .500 record that only served to drag down his career record and resulted in a Giants legend holding a clipboard for the final 12 games of his career since that exchange says "hi" back.