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Caseloads
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9/6/2021  1:47 PM
Julius has an incredibly silky 3 and is leaner and more agile with improved handles. Could he be gearing up to play at the 3, with Obi at the 4?

I'd love to see that big line up with:

Rose
RJB
Randle
Obi
Mitch
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9/6/2021  1:47 PM
Julius is looking like a better version of Me7o out there
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9/6/2021  2:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/6/2021  2:04 PM
Putting him at the 3 would be doing him a tremendous disservice. It would eliminate much of his advantage out there.
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9/6/2021  2:52 PM
Love Randle and I know his work ethic is there, but ISO work outs in an empty gym, I don't know how much you can take away from that.

Do you think he's quick enough to Guard NBA wings?

I would rather him play Center When OBI comes in

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9/6/2021  8:24 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Love Randle and I know his work ethic is there, but ISO work outs in an empty gym, I don't know how much you can take away from that.

Do you think he's quick enough to Guard NBA wings?

I would rather him play Center When OBI comes in

Agreed 100%. I think Obi and JuJu can actually mesh well together but either of them at the 3 does not work. Julius is quick for his size but not that quick.

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9/6/2021  9:20 PM
If teams counter with a 3 guard lineup that could be problematic but Randle is a beast with Tools. He has the 3, have to honor that. He has a good enogh handle that he can out quick most 4’s, and bully thru anyone smaller.
This could be a thing, or we are reacting to the Video.

Better than Me7o? Come on man, thats a bit of a stretch.
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9/6/2021  10:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/6/2021  10:46 PM
He can guard whoever....the number doesn't matter lmao. If I played him at the 3, it will be against a non shooter. He's not quick enough to guard a SG who plays SF. But Bullock is a SG who plays SF. And Randle can definitely guard him. So I don't get the issue with playing Randle anywhere on the court. The question is can a 3, 2, 1, 4, or 5 guard him???? The point I'm trying to make is, it's not the number that matters. It's the skill set of the player he's guarding. A shooter who can drive will be hard for most 6'8 bigs. But by the looks of it, I thin Randle has more lateral quickness to guard quicker players than Obi.
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9/6/2021  11:14 PM
blkexec wrote:He can guard whoever....the number doesn't matter lmao. If I played him at the 3, it will be against a non shooter. He's not quick enough to guard a SG who plays SF. But Bullock is a SG who plays SF. And Randle can definitely guard him. So I don't get the issue with playing Randle anywhere on the court. The question is can a 3, 2, 1, 4, or 5 guard him???? The point I'm trying to make is, it's not the number that matters. It's the skill set of the player he's guarding. A shooter who can drive will be hard for most 6'8 bigs. But by the looks of it, I thin Randle has more lateral quickness to guard quicker players than Obi.

I agree. Randle does move his feet very well, but there are matchups that he would get destroyed in over the course of a game. Offensively, I don't think it matters much. I assume Randle would operate on the same spots of the floor and teams would still use their bigger frontcourt players to guard him anyway. On the other side, he's probably going to have to take the tougher defensive assignment if you're handcuffing him with Obi for long stretches and a Mitch, Noel, Randle front court isn't a long-term answer for obvious reasons. So my short answer is yes, he could give the Knicks spot minutes. But what would be the point? The roster imbalances it would cause outweigh the positives.

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9/7/2021  8:46 AM
Knixkik wrote:Putting him at the 3 would be doing him a tremendous disservice. It would eliminate much of his advantage out there.

I tend to agree

The only thing is you could’ve said the same thing about moving Spree to the 3 and that was made to work…

I think I’d give it a shot but live on quickly if it doesn’t work

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9/7/2021  11:25 AM
Im thinking Jules could really put a hurt on opponents if he has become quicker. The guy is is a tremendous athlete. If our team defense is still good, and Jules has increased his footspeed then its not aobut who he can stop, its who gonna stop him?
We are not thinking Obi as a force are we? WE just moping about wishing for greener grass. What does Randle at the 3 do? Brings Obi on the court. You thinking the best or the worse of OBI? Glass half full or half empty?
Most likley its for stretch of time.
Maybe we like…

Robinson/Noel
Obi/Randle/
Randle/RJ/Burks
RJ/Fornier/IQ/Grimes
Kemba/DRose/IQ/McBride

Thats 10 in rotations without injury Factoring.

Randle last year played a lot on the ball and on the Elbow. Not sure this really a stretch. I think we all get a bit hung up on “Positions”. For goodness sake we had Burkes playing the PG when Frank was ready and able. It worked.
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9/7/2021  11:52 AM
i think thibs is gonna give fournier a lot of minutes. 6'7", 28 y.o., 30 mins/p.g.last year, 41% 3's, i see him and rj crushing the minutes at the 2/3
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9/7/2021  12:28 PM
Randle was All-NBA and an All-Star putting up Larry Bird-esque numbers. Leave him alone imo.
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9/7/2021  12:47 PM
Marv wrote:i think thibs is gonna give fournier a lot of minutes. 6'7", 28 y.o., 30 mins/p.g.last year, 41% 3's, i see him and rj crushing the minutes at the 2/3
yup... I think you see a repeat of last year which I am great with. Thibs is gonna ride RJ/Randle for 35 a night and Fournier is going to get 30 unless he really struggles out of the gate for some reason. Kemba/Rose are gonna gobble up the PG minutes and see some time together for small slices as their paths cross and we play small. Mitch is gonna get all minutes he cant handle with Noel doing his thing off the bench.

That leaves like about 10 minutes a night at PF for Obi and maybe some backup 5 here and there?

Your getting a heavy dose of Burks off the bench and IQ/McBride/Grimes are gonna really have to fight for any meaningful minutes, but I think we all also expect Rose/Kemba to have rest days and out with "soreness" so we should at least get some looks.

But its gonna Kemba/RJ/EF/Jules/Mitch with Rose/IQ/Burks/Obi/Noel off the bench and 10 guys is a lot.

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9/7/2021  1:29 PM
Nalod wrote:Im thinking Jules could really put a hurt on opponents if he has become quicker. The guy is is a tremendous athlete. If our team defense is still good, and Jules has increased his footspeed then its not aobut who he can stop, its who gonna stop him?
We are not thinking Obi as a force are we? WE just moping about wishing for greener grass. What does Randle at the 3 do? Brings Obi on the court. You thinking the best or the worse of OBI? Glass half full or half empty?
Most likley its for stretch of time.
Maybe we like…

Robinson/Noel
Obi/Randle/
Randle/RJ/Burks
RJ/Fornier/IQ/Grimes
Kemba/DRose/IQ/McBride

Thats 10 in rotations without injury Factoring.

Randle last year played a lot on the ball and on the Elbow. Not sure this really a stretch. I think we all get a bit hung up on “Positions”. For goodness sake we had Burkes playing the PG when Frank was ready and able. It worked.


If you want Obi to get more minutes, I think Randle as a small ball "five" makes more sense. Randle would have a clear advantage there as well, plus it would make the lineup quicker and it would give the offense more spacing. Who knows, maybe it could be as effective as the "death" lineup GSW used back in the day. Again, I don't see Thibs relying on a lineup like that for long stretches, but I think it would make more sense with the current roster.
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9/7/2021  1:40 PM
Randle bought the ball up and ran PT Forward. I don’t think much changes for his ‘Larry Bird” season.
THe point is not a bit shift of duties from what he was doing. IF SL was a preview then we expect to see OBI get more minutes. IF Randle can play SOME 3, does that make RJ somewhat expendable if a trade presented itself?
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9/7/2021  3:14 PM
Nalod wrote:Randle bought the ball up and ran PT Forward. I don’t think much changes for his ‘Larry Bird” season.
THe point is not a bit shift of duties from what he was doing. IF SL was a preview then we expect to see OBI get more minutes. IF Randle can play SOME 3, does that make RJ somewhat expendable if a trade presented itself?

That's a big if. Obi still hasn't shown that he can consistently post up smaller wings on the NBA level. If I'm an opposing coach, does it really change who I'm assigning to D up Jewlz? Does Atlanta decide not to put DeAndre Hunter on Randle in the playoffs if you make Randle the "three"? If I'm going to say I'm skeptical of Jalen Johnson's play in SL, I think the same goes for Obi's performance. I believe Obi should take some sort of leap. I don't think it will be enough to justify saying RJ is expendable. Let's wait until he shows that he can consistently give the team quality reserve minutes. I mean, RJ has shown that he's a legit NBA starter already in his second season.

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9/7/2021  4:05 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Randle bought the ball up and ran PT Forward. I don’t think much changes for his ‘Larry Bird” season.
THe point is not a bit shift of duties from what he was doing. IF SL was a preview then we expect to see OBI get more minutes. IF Randle can play SOME 3, does that make RJ somewhat expendable if a trade presented itself?

That's a big if. Obi still hasn't shown that he can consistently post up smaller wings on the NBA level. If I'm an opposing coach, does it really change who I'm assigning to D up Jewlz? Does Atlanta decide not to put DeAndre Hunter on Randle in the playoffs if you make Randle the "three"? If I'm going to say I'm skeptical of Jalen Johnson's play in SL, I think the same goes for Obi's performance. I believe Obi should take some sort of leap. I don't think it will be enough to justify saying RJ is expendable. Let's wait until he shows that he can consistently give the team quality reserve minutes. I mean, RJ has shown that he's a legit NBA starter already in his second season.

Its all “ifs”………Can’t just repeat last year. IF Obi penchant is a “Slow” learner stays consistent he should imporove. Proof is not SL. I get that

To me ATL having the same record as us was fortuitous and if the season went on to 82 games perhaps them and Miami pass us? Maybe. To me Clint Capella coming in to double randle was a big key. That Noel got hurt. That Elf was cooked. That Drose was cooked. That Trae schooled us was major. ATL’s depth also played a big part.
Im not down with “Randle sucked, he cost us the series”.

As for him at the 3. Its really not really what this is. Its about Obi being on on the court with him. If, obi has a better handle it opens up a lot of things for him. SL showed us what he was working on. Doing it with the Varsity will be something else.
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9/7/2021  11:33 PM
Marv wrote:i think thibs is gonna give fournier a lot of minutes. 6'7", 28 y.o., 30 mins/p.g.last year, 41% 3's, i see him and rj crushing the minutes at the 2/3

This.

Randle may be getting leaner to develop more quickness but that doesn’t mean he’s still not a PF
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Philc1 wrote:
Marv wrote:i think thibs is gonna give fournier a lot of minutes. 6'7", 28 y.o., 30 mins/p.g.last year, 41% 3's, i see him and rj crushing the minutes at the 2/3

This.

Randle may be getting leaner to develop more quickness but that doesn’t mean he’s still not a PF

It's less about Randle playing the 3....more about finding ways to get obi on the floor. If his only opportunity to get mins is when Randle sits, might as well trade obi. That's wasted talent riding the bench. Unless obi comes in for Randle, RJ or Fournier, which forces Randle to the 3. But you have Burks ready to come in as well. Will be an interesting rotation problem for thibs.

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blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Marv wrote:i think thibs is gonna give fournier a lot of minutes. 6'7", 28 y.o., 30 mins/p.g.last year, 41% 3's, i see him and rj crushing the minutes at the 2/3

This.

Randle may be getting leaner to develop more quickness but that doesn’t mean he’s still not a PF

It's less about Randle playing the 3....more about finding ways to get obi on the floor. If his only opportunity to get mins is when Randle sits, might as well trade obi. That's wasted talent riding the bench. Unless obi comes in for Randle, RJ or Fournier, which forces Randle to the 3. But you have Burks ready to come in as well. Will be an interesting rotation problem for thibs.


Or, you can run small ball lineups with Randle at the "5" and Obi at "4". Randle guarded 5s with the Lakers and I think he might be done it with the NOPs. It's a more natural fit. Randle would provide more space and Obi would get his minutes without eating into RJ's time. Lastly, we should wait until Obi proves he's worthy of those minutes. Obi is not at the point where we should worry about moving Randle around to accommodate him.
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