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8/16/2021  9:26 AM
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This defense is just incredible. This downward block is better than anything I have ever seen from a catch up block, and the hops are just otherworldly.
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8/16/2021  1:58 PM
One aspect of this team that I really enjoyed as a fan is that all the players are likeable and hardworking. We really do not have trouble makers or diva's on the team. Coach K has a good relationship with this current regime so I think we passed on Jalen Johnson likely for character issues.
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8/16/2021  2:37 PM
Yea I heard he had behavioral issues or something like that. With how we finally have a good culture I am Ok with passing on talent that could mess that up.
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8/16/2021  3:00 PM
Clean wrote:Yea I heard he had behavioral issues or something like that. With how we finally have a good culture I am Ok with passing on talent that could mess that up.

Some hawks fans were already complaining about his attitude in one of the games, which surprised me as I thought they'd be hyped at how he's playing (though to be fair a lot are). One person with a poor attitude can really wreck a teams chemistry
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8/16/2021  3:05 PM
During the draft, part of me wanted them to pick Jalen Johnson and Keon Johnson. Part of me wanted them to be drafted before we had to choose.

Grimes wasn't really on my radar aside from a news article. Call it some kind of bias, but I have Landry Fields in my head everytime I look at Grimes.

In some of my pre-draft wishlists, I had McBride in the 1st round. I also had Trey Murphy and/or Chris Duarte falling to us.

I'm pretty happy with our guys. Can't predict which rookies will have the combination of talent and opportunity to be successful.

I don't think either of McBride or Grimes are likely to be rookie superstars. But with the 25 and 36 picks, I think they are solid rotation players at a minimum with McBride having Jrue Holiday as his upward comp and Grimes giving me a bit of a Doug Christie vibe as his upside.

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8/16/2021  3:56 PM
We might regret not taking him. Add him to a list of players missed.
Duke Bailed on the season of Covid. I would not judge him too harsh on hearsay.
But the proof will be in his performance.
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8/16/2021  4:39 PM
Nalod wrote:We might regret not taking him. Add him to a list of players missed.

No 'we' don't.

For some of us, sports isn't about pressing our noses against other team's windows.
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8/16/2021  6:30 PM
Anyone with the last name of Johnson is not going to measure up to the original. Let's see him do that block in a real NBA game.
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8/16/2021  8:03 PM
I think we did. Before the season, when our playoff chances were cloudy at best, we were hoping to have a chance to draft Jalen in the lotto. We made the playoffs and still had a chance to draft a lotto talent like Johnson towards the back of the first round. On top of that, we had 3 picks!! One not use one of those picks to take a homerun swing at Johnson? He would have made us more athletic, longer and stronger in the front court.
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8/16/2021  8:15 PM
Uptown wrote:I think we did. Before the season, when our playoff chances were cloudy at best, we were hoping to have a chance to draft Jalen in the lotto. We made the playoffs and still had a chance to draft a lotto talent like Johnson towards the back of the first round. On top of that, we had 3 picks!! One not use one of those picks to take a homerun swing at Johnson? He would have made us more athletic, longer and stronger in the front court.

Even if they picked him to trade him later, he still has to be a better asset then a lottery protected pick, cuz lottery talent.
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8/16/2021  8:23 PM
Rookie wrote:
Uptown wrote:I think we did. Before the season, when our playoff chances were cloudy at best, we were hoping to have a chance to draft Jalen in the lotto. We made the playoffs and still had a chance to draft a lotto talent like Johnson towards the back of the first round. On top of that, we had 3 picks!! One not use one of those picks to take a homerun swing at Johnson? He would have made us more athletic, longer and stronger in the front court.

Even if they picked him to trade him later, he still has to be a better asset then a lottery protected pick, cuz lottery talent.

So who's knocking down the door for Kevin Knox for pick #19?

Asking for a friend.
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8/17/2021  1:05 AM
Knickoftime wrote:
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Uptown wrote:I think we did. Before the season, when our playoff chances were cloudy at best, we were hoping to have a chance to draft Jalen in the lotto. We made the playoffs and still had a chance to draft a lotto talent like Johnson towards the back of the first round. On top of that, we had 3 picks!! One not use one of those picks to take a homerun swing at Johnson? He would have made us more athletic, longer and stronger in the front court.

Even if they picked him to trade him later, he still has to be a better asset then a lottery protected pick, cuz lottery talent.

So who's knocking down the door for Kevin Knox for pick #19?

Asking for a friend.

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8/17/2021  1:15 AM
Rookie wrote:
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Uptown wrote:I think we did. Before the season, when our playoff chances were cloudy at best, we were hoping to have a chance to draft Jalen in the lotto. We made the playoffs and still had a chance to draft a lotto talent like Johnson towards the back of the first round. On top of that, we had 3 picks!! One not use one of those picks to take a homerun swing at Johnson? He would have made us more athletic, longer and stronger in the front court.

Even if they picked him to trade him later, he still has to be a better asset then a lottery protected pick, cuz lottery talent.

So who's knocking down the door for Kevin Knox for pick #19?

Asking for a friend.

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Kevin Knox was one of the stars of his summer league. He had one of the best starts of any rookie in the regular season.

His value as an "asset" wasn't long-term.

19 teams passed on him THIS draft and we don't know how many more other than Atlanta would have.

So your argument that he'd be a more valuable asset "later" doesn't necessarily hold water.
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8/17/2021  6:42 AM
Every draft there are 1 or 2 players who “we should have picked.” No point crying over spilled milk. His decision to leave Duke early rubbed a lot people the wrong way because it suggested a lack of commitment to the team. Now everybody can have their own opinion about his actions. I can see both sides, but the Knicks were not drafting any questionable character guys. The team is all about building the culture with dedicated professionals.
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8/17/2021  7:44 AM
Knickoftime wrote:
Rookie wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
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Uptown wrote:I think we did. Before the season, when our playoff chances were cloudy at best, we were hoping to have a chance to draft Jalen in the lotto. We made the playoffs and still had a chance to draft a lotto talent like Johnson towards the back of the first round. On top of that, we had 3 picks!! One not use one of those picks to take a homerun swing at Johnson? He would have made us more athletic, longer and stronger in the front court.

Even if they picked him to trade him later, he still has to be a better asset then a lottery protected pick, cuz lottery talent.

So who's knocking down the door for Kevin Knox for pick #19?

Asking for a friend.

Knevin knucks at knasketball

Kevin Knox was one of the stars of his summer league. He had one of the best starts of any rookie in the regular season.

His value as an "asset" wasn't long-term.

19 teams passed on him THIS draft and we don't know how many more other than Atlanta would have.

So your argument that he'd be a more valuable asset "later" doesn't necessarily hold water.


I LOVE the guys we selected. We did incredibly well. This draft might go down for us as one of our best when all is said and done.

Re your bolded - But this draft was LOADED. 19 could easily be equated to top 8 or so in a regular draft. Everyone defending the teams move NEVER mentions this draft was probably the best in the last 10 years.

I still don't agree with trading out of the 19th spot in such a strong draft. Now, maybe that extra pick is useful in getting a star here (because we all know chance are good a trade for one is coming)
but if I'm another team, I'd rather take a flyer on the 19th pick from this draft (relatively consensus talent) than one from a regular draft. That said, if it conveys in 23' (or whatever year high schoolers can enter, then all bets are off.) We do probably get that CHA pick in the next 2 drafts imo.
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CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I still don't agree with trading out of the 19th spot in such a strong draft. Now, maybe that extra pick is useful in getting a star here (because we all know chance are good a trade for one is coming)
but if I'm another team, I'd rather take a flyer on the 19th pick from this draft (relatively consensus talent) than one from a regular draft. That said, if it conveys in 23' (or whatever year high schoolers can enter, then all bets are off.) We do probably get that CHA pick in the next 2 drafts imo.

I don't get your logic. Let's assume that Grimes WAS their first player target after the 18th pick happened (it's not 100% certain but we can have a good feel for that).

Why was it bad to trade back and get an extra asset while getting the guy you wanted?

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8/17/2021  12:14 PM
The people that complain that we shouldn't have traded out of 19 are the same ones that would be crying we "reached" for Grimes if we took him there. Grimes was their guy and they maximized assets in the process of getting him.

Enough with the pants wetting and bellyaching please!
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8/17/2021  12:35 PM
KnickDanger wrote:The people that complain that we shouldn't have traded out of 19 are the same ones that would be crying we "reached" for Grimes if we took him there. Grimes was their guy and they maximized assets in the process of getting him.

Enough with the pants wetting and bellyaching please!

This is going to be relitigated until we make the future pick we got from Charlotte in exchange for the 2021 19th pick.
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8/17/2021  12:38 PM
Jalen Johnson a miss after summer league?
“The benchmark of success is accomplishing your goals”………….

If true then we did not want him. Does that mean it was a mistake? Let’s see in a few years. Until then kicks had him available but declined. Thus, it was not a mistake.
He did not check the boxes for those who decide.
Him leaving duke the reason? Or the reasons he left duke that we are not privvy to the reason. I admire Duke for doing what they did when they did it. This was pre-vax.
I don’t have enough intel but the kid dropped and we not the only ones to skip on him.
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Knickoftime wrote:
Rookie wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
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Uptown wrote:I think we did. Before the season, when our playoff chances were cloudy at best, we were hoping to have a chance to draft Jalen in the lotto. We made the playoffs and still had a chance to draft a lotto talent like Johnson towards the back of the first round. On top of that, we had 3 picks!! One not use one of those picks to take a homerun swing at Johnson? He would have made us more athletic, longer and stronger in the front court.

Even if they picked him to trade him later, he still has to be a better asset then a lottery protected pick, cuz lottery talent.

So who's knocking down the door for Kevin Knox for pick #19?

Asking for a friend.

Knevin knucks at knasketball

Kevin Knox was one of the stars of his summer league. He had one of the best starts of any rookie in the regular season.

His value as an "asset" wasn't long-term.

19 teams passed on him THIS draft and we don't know how many more other than Atlanta would have.

So your argument that he'd be a more valuable asset "later" doesn't necessarily hold water.

It’s hard to believe how far Knox has fallen since his nba start in 2018. He has the physical tools, but the late bloomer ship is sailing. Johnson projects to be a good player and a value pick up after he slid out of the lottery.
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