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why we passed on cooper according to the NY Post
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Caseloads
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8/16/2021  8:55 AM
"Not only did the Knicks bypass small forward Jalen Johnson in the draft at No. 19, but essentially passed on Atlanta point guard Sharife Cooper, of Auburn, four times. Cooper hit a game-winning 3-pointer and posted a 21-point, 12-assist game, proving he could be a steal at No. 48. According to a source, the Knicks’ 36th pick, Miles McBride, badly outplayed Cooper at a Knicks workout. McBride has had two spectacular games, too, including Saturday’s 23-point, five-assist outing."
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8/16/2021  9:54 AM
We have quickley already, and we've seen how mcbride fits with quickley, so not losing sleep on this
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8/16/2021  10:17 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:We have quickley already, and we've seen how mcbride fits with quickley, so not losing sleep on this

yeah I agree

The knicks did a solid job in the draft..

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8/16/2021  10:19 AM
It was a tough choice between Cooper and McBride. Cooper has more upside but McBride has a more defined role as sort of a 3&D PG who can play in a variety of lineups that Cooper can’t.
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8/16/2021  12:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/16/2021  12:41 PM
The only question with McBride is can he run a team offense. As far as shooting and defense, there is no question he is a much better prospect than Cooper. Since we need a trae young stopper and some outside shooting, McBride was a better prospect for us.
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8/16/2021  1:00 PM
TheGame wrote:The only question with McBride is can he run a team offense. As far as shooting and defense, there is no question he is a much better prospect than Cooper. Since we need a trae young stopper and some outside shooting, McBride was a better prospect for us.

If Randle is running the offense, McBride just needs to be able to fill in for Rose and Walker when they are out and provide 3&D support to the team. I figure they keep running the offense through Randle.

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8/16/2021  1:11 PM
I dont think Cooper can slide over to the SG position. Watching him play, he's definitely legit. But Mcbride has football strength who can guard both positions. I can see walker and Mcbride playing together. Not the case for Cooper. But either way. We can go on and on and on about players we didn't pick. Exactly what does that do for fans or anybody?

Also, if Cooper and Mcbride are matched up, who would have the advantage. I think Mcbride has that Kyle lowery strength with a jumper....with the ability to guard players twice his size. I can't see Cooper guarding the same players Mcbride can guard.

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8/16/2021  1:44 PM
Cooper will be exploited on D, get a lot of shots blocked (Though he is creative and draws fouls.) and be a so-so shooter (Making a big shot in SL is not what you go on.), at best. In terms of playmaking, he's superior to McBride, much more of a classic and clever distributor.

I found it interesting that McBride beat him soundly in a workout. I expect that he is someone who will learn opponent tendencies and be even better and his career moves along.

I remember someone on TV talking about McBrides dad being critical of McBride's D on someone, noting that he should have taken note of his opponents habits sooner.

Maybe that is the McBride football mind. As a QB you are looking at defensive tendencies and trying to predict and exploit them. I expect his father has nurtured this skill in his son, who would've already understood to an extent from his FB days.

As someone who had a father and sister go to Auburn, I do have a soft spot for Auburn athletes, but I believe we got the better player.

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8/16/2021  2:03 PM
I would have been fine drafting Cooper but we've also seen too many players look great in summer league and ended up not doing much in the regular season. I do think he's going to be a nice change of pace backup PG but I'm really content with McBride.

The one guy who truly worries me that we passed on is Cam Thomas. That kid can score in his sleep and will be a pain in the butt off the bench for the Nets!

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8/16/2021  2:47 PM
I rather McBride. Seeing how badly we guarded Trae I think he will definitely help with that.
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8/16/2021  2:57 PM
I liked Cooper a lot, but I'm trying to get out of the habit of looking at who we passed on in the draft- what's done is done, I'll focus on rooting for the players who are actually on this team, rather than torture myself with who isn't
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8/16/2021  4:03 PM
smackeddog wrote:I liked Cooper a lot, but I'm trying to get out of the habit of looking at who we passed on in the draft- what's done is done, I'll focus on rooting for the players who are actually on this team, rather than torture myself with who isn't

Exactly

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8/16/2021  10:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/16/2021  10:05 PM
Tonight:

Cooper 3 of 11 (0 for 2 from 3) 6 points, 2 assists, 3 TOs, minus 17

Mcbride 7 0f 10 (5 of 8 from 3) 19 points, 4 assists, 2 TOS, plus 8

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8/16/2021  10:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2021  7:38 AM
Seems like a nice guy and wish him well but I think this was as simple as small pgs who can’t shoot from the outside are very risky

He will get punished on D in multiple ways, and it’s yet to be seen whether his offense will translate come regular season where everyone seems to be long and fast

Super happy with our choices. Even our end of the bench SL guys looked good in limited minutes

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8/17/2021  6:45 AM
We don’t play midget PG’s. Not the Knicks way.
We don’t play defensive liabilities.
McBride destroyed him in his knick workout. (Read it in the papers) Again last night.
ATL has a different process than us. Maybe they like drafting little dudes. Knicks have a “Type”.
We carried Harper on the team last year so maybe I’m wrong. He did not play much.
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8/17/2021  7:37 AM
Nalod wrote:We don’t play midget PG’s. Not the Knicks way.
We don’t play defensive liabilities.
McBride destroyed him in his knick workout. (Read it in the papers) Again last night.
ATL has a different process than us. Maybe they like drafting little dudes. Knicks have a “Type”.
We carried Harper on the team last year so maybe I’m wrong. He did not play much.

Remember how Knox destroyed Cam in his private workout too? I don't put too much into that but it is worth noting, sure.

I'm content with Rokas as the guy has size and plays better defense. I think that is the thing with Cooper; comes with being small with matching wingspan.
I am curious how Cooper does as he is a joy to watch distributing the ball. But will it translate? I think probably yes.

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8/17/2021  8:01 AM
Chandler wrote:Seems like a nice guy and wish him well but I think this was as simple as small pgs who can’t shoot from the outside are very risky

He will get punished on D in multiple ways, and it’s yet to be seen whether his offense will translate come regular season where everyone seems to be long and fast

Super happy with our choices. Even our end of the bench SL guys looked good in limited minutes

small point guards unless (super)stars are liabilities

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8/17/2021  8:32 AM
the workout angle may be part of the story but let's remember, the knicks let the entire league take a swing at mcbride before they got him at 36. They even traded back a couple of times and took another 2 players before him so to perhaps even they did not know what they had in him at draft time.

My bigger issue is not taking him or grimes, but rokas seems like a bit of a duplicate player to those in some ways. Defensive-minded with some shooting and decent size. Why not take cooper and let him and mcbride fight it out? Rose and kemba are no locks for the future, let alone this upcoming season and we could have just passed up our chance to build the backcourt for the next decade. Rokas may never even end up a knick and nobody thinks he is going to ever be more than a role player.

I think it's more fair to say that the knicks did not choose mcbride over cooper, but evidenced by passing on cooper 4 times in the draft, they did not think he was right for the team at all.

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8/17/2021  8:47 AM
More than happy with Mcbride, he looked really really good on his tape out of college. With his pull up jumpers, defense, nba ready body. But workout setting wouldn't favor Cooper. Cooper's best ability is his court vision and drawing fouls. Which wouldn't be highlighted in that setting. Pre landing Kemba, felt Coopers skill set was missing from the Knicks rotation. So if they gambled on him it would have made sense. But Suggs is the only PG I really loved out of this draft.

We won't know the deal with any of these guys for a couple of years though.

Kemba Walker is only 6'0 184 pds. Cooper and Mcbride have specific skill sets. Up to them to build on those and expand their games or become so strong with what they bring they impose their will. Even if just rotational players and not stars.

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8/17/2021  10:24 AM
Did not like Coopers body language in summer league - hard to put my finger on it.

If that workout was reason Knicks took Deuce over Cooper maybe Cooper knows that is why/how he fell and maybe that’s why he got a tummy ache after Deuce destroyed him again last night.

I get with the Knox example how it’s tough to use 1 workout as a basis for your pick. At the same time if you will be picking between 2 guys and you bring them in for workout and 1 guy kills the other, is the obvious better defender & shooter it’s hard to pick the other guy.

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