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BRIGGS
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11/4/2004  10:52 AM
if sacremento stinks, Tim Thomas and KT will be Kings for Chris Webber IMHO.
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11/4/2004  11:00 AM
My point exactly. After 15 games, look for Isiah and the Kings to get on the table to discuss possible trades. Peja will get his wish, the King will endup keeping him. There is no telling who Isiah may offer the Kings, but look for a trade of either TT, Kurt and Naser, or Houston, Naser, and Kurt to be on the table for CWebb. Why wouldn't they do this trade? They would get a sharp shooter and a bruiser from the Knicks. They would be able to retain their core players, and they would have upgraded considerably. As good as Doug Christie is, he can not produce 20 ppg like Houston can.
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11/4/2004  11:01 AM
i don't see why the kings would be interested in TT when they have Peja there already.
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11/4/2004  11:17 AM
I'd be pissed off if that happens. No way I want to see CWebb in NY.

He's a good player and he's doing great considering his history of injuries, but I don't want to see Isiah getting any more of high-priced, over-the-hill, injured players, ala C.WEBB, CARTER, MOURNING, etc, etc.

Look at CWebb's contract. He's owed $20 million/yr for the next 4 yrs. With CWebb, H20, and Marbury = 3 Knick players = $60 million. That's nuts.

We gotta get younger! (with the right mix of vets)

[Edited by - sky on 11/04/2004 12:06:58]
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11/4/2004  11:20 AM
Once again, here is a man that is very quick to the trigger. If you trade Houston, Kurt, and Naser for Cwebb, mathematicall, you will eliminate at least three bad contracts for one, and most of all create rooms in your roster for players that can actually play.

Posted by SKY:

I'd be pissed off if that happens. No way I want to see CWebb in NY.

He's a good player and he's doing great considering his history of injuries, but I don't want to see Isiah getting any more of high-priced, over-the-hill, injured players, ala C.WEBB, CARTER, MOURNING, etc, etc.

Look at CWebb's contract. He's owed $20 million/yr for the next 4 yrs. 3 Knick players = $60 million. That's nuts.

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11/4/2004  11:23 AM
that would suck... I would rather hold onto TT's contract for this offseason or next year if we are going to move him. I would make this trade for Brand however, saving the Clippers something like $50mm in future payroll.

Then you can use Sweetney in a possible deal for Dalembert
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11/4/2004  11:25 AM
bad trade. Move Sweetney for Dalembert????

Posted by fishmike:

that would suck... I would rather hold onto TT's contract for this offseason or next year if we are going to move him. I would make this trade for Brand however, saving the Clippers something like $50mm in future payroll.

Then you can use Sweetney in a possible deal for Dalembert
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11/4/2004  11:30 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

if sacremento stinks, Tim Thomas and KT will be Kings for Chris Webber IMHO.

if it's tim and kurt for webber - BRING IT ON!!!
don't care the $$$ or the length. i would ask for a #1 in return b/c of the $$$'s involved tho.

start webber at center and sweets at PF

it's funny b/c just yesterday i was saying the closest player in the league who's nba success somewhat rivals ewing's was webber. he advances in the playoffs but isn't a superstar enough to do it on his own and never really had that 2nd star with him to take it to the next level.
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11/4/2004  11:32 AM
Posted by fishmike:

that would suck... I would rather hold onto TT's contract for this offseason or next year if we are going to move him. I would make this trade for Brand however, saving the Clippers something like $50mm in future payroll.

Then you can use Sweetney in a possible deal for Dalembert

I agree with you on not trading for Webber, but NY will always be a team that tries to win NOW. If webber shows healthy over an extended number of games and is putting up 22+10 and sacremento is losing--look for them to bail out on a money deal. It sure is TREMENDOUS risk on the backside of those 4 years, but the Knicks never calculate the cap 3-4 years from now--they are all about today.


By the way, Philly will never trade us Dalembart. It makes 0 sense. when all is said and done he will be playing big minutes at starting C for them. They are not properly utilizing him and that is a strategic mistake that I believe they will realize
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11/4/2004  11:37 AM
well here's the question, i think getting webber puts us right up there in the east with a really solid chance of winning it all, especially if h20 comes back. a lineup of marbury, h20, ariza, sweets, and webber is pretty damn good. but you're right, it's a HUGE risk. do you take that risk or do you try to swing a sign and trade in the offseason? that's the question. if webber has 4 more years left, then it's really 2 years of cap hell b/c tim and kurt are on it through next season and kurt the follow 3 seasons.
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11/4/2004  11:39 AM
also, adding a piece like webber without giving up crawford, ariza, sweetney, or draft picks have to be seriously considered, no?
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11/4/2004  11:45 AM
I heard a rumor on TV this morning about Spree becoming a King - and Peja going to the Wolves. Personally I dont think that makes much sense but other players might be involved.

If Webber is on the block I dont see the Knicks being major contenders to get him. KT and TT simply do not get it done. Webber regardless of injury history is a stud at the 4 position and can get quality in return.

But if they are willing to bite on TT and KT then you pull the trigger in a heartbeat.

[Edited by - OasisBU on 11/04/2004 11:46:24]
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11/4/2004  11:49 AM
what's the point of setting us back in term of financial flexibility for a guy who is not what we need :

- a shot blocker
- a post player
- a bruiser with a "make no prisonners " attitude
- a guy that can hit shots down the stretch

I used to love that guy, but he's only a name now.

What would he bring us ? plz, explain.
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11/4/2004  11:58 AM
Posted by raven:

what's the point of setting us back in term of financial flexibility for a guy who is not what we need :

- a shot blocker
- a post player
- a bruiser with a "make no prisonners " attitude
- a guy that can hit shots down the stretch

I used to love that guy, but he's only a name now.

What would he bring us ? plz, explain.

Exactly my point. Bringing Webber in DOES NOT make sense, unless he gets waived in the future and if he can play, we sign him for cheap...
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11/4/2004  12:00 PM
Briggs... I have to somewhat disagree. I dont think Isiah has the same mentality that would let him take the kind of risk a player like Webber is, UNLESS its a total cash deal for garbage. The Knicks are probably the only team that would take that kind of risk. Shandon, Moochie and KT still saves the Kings a boat load of cash, but we get rid of two bad contracts.

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11/4/2004  12:03 PM
I mention trades like this for years on here and other sites.....
Usually it was Houston for Webber straight up.

With Webber's age and injury history especially after him coming off mayjor surgery this makes alot of sense now.....

KT and Timmy gets it done.....#1 Timmy and KT makes their bench legit.....cuz their bench is suspect. The Kings play better without Webber anyway. Sactown would start Songalia(sp?, Peja, Miller, Bibby, and whoever.

They could even play Timmy at the 3 and Peja at the 2. KT could play 4-5 for them instead of Ostertag.......Having that expiring contract helps them more than the Knicks.

This is very possible......Webber and Sweets is better than KT and Sweets. Webber does everything KT does except Webber can put the ball on the floor, pass and post up.

If the Knicks sign Eddie Robinson then this all makes sense.....Houston would be the 6th man to split time at 2-3....The Knicks would be hell to guard inside and out.....

It could happen and Isiah could be the one savy enough to pull something like this off.
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11/4/2004  12:03 PM
by the way Webber does block shots and is a post player. His only problem is health. not saying I want him but if he's healthy he's a top 10 player. Plain and simple.

*IF* he's healthy. This is one I just stay away from.
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11/4/2004  12:05 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Once again, here is a man that is very quick to the trigger. If you trade Houston, Kurt, and Naser for Cwebb, mathematicall, you will eliminate at least three bad contracts for one, and most of all create rooms in your roster for players that can actually play.

What??? Where the hell did you pull that from?
H20+KT+Nazr=$28.5 million
Webber=$17.5 million
"mathmatically"???

Even trading H20 for CWebb straight up, NO THANKS. CWebb's got 4 more yr, and H20 3yrs. We can afford to have H20 on the bench till he fully recovers now that we have Crawford.

[Edited by - sky on 11/04/2004 12:14:30]
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11/4/2004  12:08 PM
Posted by fishmike:

that would suck... I would rather hold onto TT's contract for this offseason or next year if we are going to move him. I would make this trade for Brand however, saving the Clippers something like $50mm in future payroll.

Then you can use Sweetney in a possible deal for Dalembert

Yes, I like that... now, this makes sense.
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11/4/2004  1:15 PM
Posted by OasisBU:

I heard a rumor on TV this morning about Spree becoming a King - and Peja going to the Wolves. Personally I dont think that makes much sense but other players might be involved.

i think it makes perfect sense actually...Spree & CWebb are buddies from their GS days, & if you threw in Wally Sczerbiak along w/Spree's expiring contract, i think the Kings would be willing to pull the trigger on that deal...maybe Christie would go back to the Wolves along w/Peja to even out the dollars? the Kings would end up with:

C - Miller
PF - Webber
SF - Wally
SG - Spree
PG - Bibby
6th man - Bobby Jax

that's pretty damn good.
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