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8/17/2021  12:32 AM
For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.

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8/17/2021  12:31 PM
gradyandrew wrote:For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.


How are you going to improve footwork or practice jumpers with him rehabbing a broken foot for the last 7 1/2 months. The only thing he was able to do was lift weights and working on his cardio.

I'm really curious to know why you think he would improve drastically after 2 season of not improving much at all..

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8/18/2021  12:51 PM
Man someone help a bro out and get this guy a real gym with trainer

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8/18/2021  1:21 PM
martin wrote:Man someone help a bro out and get this guy a real gym with trainer

Gosh...I don't know, the lawn equipment in the background is a nice touch.


Also, I've never trained as a boxer, but that guy in the background dropping his right shoulder and both hands while winding up a right handed punch, sure seems vulnerable to a counterattack.

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8/18/2021  1:54 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.


How are you going to improve footwork or practice jumpers with him rehabbing a broken foot for the last 7 1/2 months. The only thing he was able to do was lift weights and working on his cardio.

I'm really curious to know why you think he would improve drastically after 2 season of not improving much at all..

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8/18/2021  2:17 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.


How are you going to improve footwork or practice jumpers with him rehabbing a broken foot for the last 7 1/2 months. The only thing he was able to do was lift weights and working on his cardio.

I'm really curious to know why you think he would improve drastically after 2 season of not improving much at all..

The way he is used on the team has clearly changed from 19/20 to 20/21. His usage rate has dropped. Many of his "money stats" are lower.

If you take Centers playing at least 25 minutes a night, he is the third best defensive rating in the league behind Gobert and Embiid.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&CF=MIN*GE*25

Combine that with the fact that his Fouls per 36 dropped from 5.7 to 3.6 over the last three years and I think he is getting better. He is staying on the court longer. Playing the correct way. Some of his other stats decline slightly as he stays home on fakes.

Apply the same filters (Centers playing 25 minutes or more) to Box Outs and you see he has the most box outs per game in the league at 5.0.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs/?CF=MIN*GE*25&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=BOX_OUTS&dir=1

For a defensive Center, he is among the best. And despite the money stats, he is getting better.

I'd lock him up at 4 years 52mm if he would sign it. I think that contract earns out easily.

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gradyandrew wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.


How are you going to improve footwork or practice jumpers with him rehabbing a broken foot for the last 7 1/2 months. The only thing he was able to do was lift weights and working on his cardio.

I'm really curious to know why you think he would improve drastically after 2 season of not improving much at all..

The way he is used on the team has clearly changed from 19/20 to 20/21. His usage rate has dropped. Many of his "money stats" are lower.

If you take Centers playing at least 25 minutes a night, he is the third best defensive rating in the league behind Gobert and Embiid.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&CF=MIN*GE*25

Combine that with the fact that his Fouls per 36 dropped from 5.7 to 3.6 over the last three years and I think he is getting better. He is staying on the court longer. Playing the correct way. Some of his other stats decline slightly as he stays home on fakes.

Apply the same filters (Centers playing 25 minutes or more) to Box Outs and you see he has the most box outs per game in the league at 5.0.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs/?CF=MIN*GE*25&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=BOX_OUTS&dir=1

For a defensive Center, he is among the best. And despite the money stats, he is getting better.

I'd lock him up at 4 years 52mm if he would sign it. I think that contract earns out easily.

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8/18/2021  3:50 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.


How are you going to improve footwork or practice jumpers with him rehabbing a broken foot for the last 7 1/2 months. The only thing he was able to do was lift weights and working on his cardio.

I'm really curious to know why you think he would improve drastically after 2 season of not improving much at all..

The way he is used on the team has clearly changed from 19/20 to 20/21. His usage rate has dropped. Many of his "money stats" are lower.

If you take Centers playing at least 25 minutes a night, he is the third best defensive rating in the league behind Gobert and Embiid.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&CF=MIN*GE*25

Combine that with the fact that his Fouls per 36 dropped from 5.7 to 3.6 over the last three years and I think he is getting better. He is staying on the court longer. Playing the correct way. Some of his other stats decline slightly as he stays home on fakes.

Apply the same filters (Centers playing 25 minutes or more) to Box Outs and you see he has the most box outs per game in the league at 5.0.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs/?CF=MIN*GE*25&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=BOX_OUTS&dir=1

For a defensive Center, he is among the best. And despite the money stats he is getting better.

I'd lock him up at 4 years 52mm if he would sign it. I think that contract earns out easily.

My debate was never about Mitch's defense. A defense center is not end-all-be-all anymore like it was yrs ago. We struggled to Score and was the slowest team in the NBA prior to micht going down.

look at the stats with and without Mitch
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-defensive-rating-with-and-without-mitchell-robinson-2021

We were up in up in almost every offensive category, especially the most important one "WINS".

He wasn't missed that much on defense either..Which makes him very easy to replace. He's not worth more than 6 mill per as a backup because you now have take into consideration he's injury prone.

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8/18/2021  4:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2021  4:16 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.


How are you going to improve footwork or practice jumpers with him rehabbing a broken foot for the last 7 1/2 months. The only thing he was able to do was lift weights and working on his cardio.

I'm really curious to know why you think he would improve drastically after 2 season of not improving much at all..

The way he is used on the team has clearly changed from 19/20 to 20/21. His usage rate has dropped. Many of his "money stats" are lower.

If you take Centers playing at least 25 minutes a night, he is the third best defensive rating in the league behind Gobert and Embiid.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&CF=MIN*GE*25

Combine that with the fact that his Fouls per 36 dropped from 5.7 to 3.6 over the last three years and I think he is getting better. He is staying on the court longer. Playing the correct way. Some of his other stats decline slightly as he stays home on fakes.

Apply the same filters (Centers playing 25 minutes or more) to Box Outs and you see he has the most box outs per game in the league at 5.0.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs/?CF=MIN*GE*25&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=BOX_OUTS&dir=1

For a defensive Center, he is among the best. And despite the money stats he is getting better.

I'd lock him up at 4 years 52mm if he would sign it. I think that contract earns out easily.

My debate was never about Mitch's defense. A defense center is not end-all-be-all anymore like it was yrs ago. We struggled to Score and was the slowest team in the NBA prior to micht going down.

look at the stats with and without Mitch
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-defensive-rating-with-and-without-mitchell-robinson-2021

We were up in up in almost every offensive category, especially the most important one "WINS".

He wasn't missed that much on defense either..Which makes him very easy to replace. He's not worth more than 6 mill per as a backup because you now have take into consideration he's injury prone.

🤔 I wonder what caused that? It's almost like they traded for a former MVP around that time or something.
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I know, it’s not a full season sample size. I do not think the Knicks are the 2nd best team in the NBA. It’s still 25 games, which is over a 3rd of the 2021 season – It’s neither a large nor small sample size. It’s certainly an indicator of important Derrick Rose has been for this team.

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8/18/2021  8:11 PM
The man says it himself

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8/18/2021  9:25 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.


How are you going to improve footwork or practice jumpers with him rehabbing a broken foot for the last 7 1/2 months. The only thing he was able to do was lift weights and working on his cardio.

I'm really curious to know why you think he would improve drastically after 2 season of not improving much at all..

The way he is used on the team has clearly changed from 19/20 to 20/21. His usage rate has dropped. Many of his "money stats" are lower.

If you take Centers playing at least 25 minutes a night, he is the third best defensive rating in the league behind Gobert and Embiid.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&CF=MIN*GE*25

Combine that with the fact that his Fouls per 36 dropped from 5.7 to 3.6 over the last three years and I think he is getting better. He is staying on the court longer. Playing the correct way. Some of his other stats decline slightly as he stays home on fakes.

Apply the same filters (Centers playing 25 minutes or more) to Box Outs and you see he has the most box outs per game in the league at 5.0.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs/?CF=MIN*GE*25&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=BOX_OUTS&dir=1

For a defensive Center, he is among the best. And despite the money stats he is getting better.

I'd lock him up at 4 years 52mm if he would sign it. I think that contract earns out easily.

My debate was never about Mitch's defense. A defense center is not end-all-be-all anymore like it was yrs ago. We struggled to Score and was the slowest team in the NBA prior to micht going down.

look at the stats with and without Mitch
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-defensive-rating-with-and-without-mitchell-robinson-2021

We were up in up in almost every offensive category, especially the most important one "WINS".

He wasn't missed that much on defense either..Which makes him very easy to replace. He's not worth more than 6 mill per as a backup because you now have take into consideration he's injury prone.

The Statmuse link you use for Knicks defense literally says they are better with Mitch. 108 is better than 109 on defense rating.

In terms of offense with/without, neither Mitch nor Noel had any impact on the increase in 3 point shooting percentage.

Recall the team improved their 3 point shooting through hard work and computer analytics based on the $100k system the Knicks installed at the training facility (on all 6 courts) to improve the Knicks shooting.

Rebounds and blocks are up with him on the court. FT% is probably partially his fault. But that's just the difference between him and Noel. Just because we have a solid backup in Noel doesn't mean Mitch isn't good.

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8/18/2021  9:59 PM
martin wrote:The man says it himself

Whenever they talk about how injuries hurt playoff teams everyone on sports talk shows says except the Knicks and Bucks. It seem like Mitch was out for so much of the season everyone forgot he was even our starting center. Noel also sprained his ankle during the first game and Rose bumped knees in the 3rd or 4th game and was never the same after. We got a surprise for Trae when we play on Christmas. Mitch and McBride going to make things very tough for him.

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Amen

Clean wrote:
martin wrote:The man says it himself

Whenever they talk about how injuries hurt playoff teams everyone on sports talk shows says except the Knicks and Bucks. It seem like Mitch was out for so much of the season everyone forgot he was even our starting center. Noel also sprained his ankle during the first game and Rose bumped knees in the 3rd or 4th game and was never the same after. We got a surprise for Trae when we play on Christmas. Mitch and McBride going to make things very tough for him.

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8/19/2021  8:17 AM
Clean wrote:
martin wrote:The man says it himself

Whenever they talk about how injuries hurt playoff teams everyone on sports talk shows says except the Knicks and Bucks. It seem like Mitch was out for so much of the season everyone forgot he was even our starting center. Noel also sprained his ankle during the first game and Rose bumped knees in the 3rd or 4th game and was never the same after. We got a surprise for Trae when we play on Christmas. Mitch and McBride going to make things very tough for him.

Well said, I just said as much in the "line Up" thread. We are going to be leaps and bounds better this season.

Please Thibs, expand the rotation and have a Merry Christmas.

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EwingsGlass wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:For those talking about Mitchell's offseason- go back and read the April Fool's Gold article. Mitchell has been getting bad advice from his agent(s) most of his career. They aren't really even basketball people. Fact is,this might be the first offseason where he's going to improve. Knicks finally have a stable front office and coach who can tell Mitchell exactly what he needs to do to land a 50 million contract.

The comment about setting better screens was spot on- way more important for him to work on that.


How are you going to improve footwork or practice jumpers with him rehabbing a broken foot for the last 7 1/2 months. The only thing he was able to do was lift weights and working on his cardio.

I'm really curious to know why you think he would improve drastically after 2 season of not improving much at all..

The way he is used on the team has clearly changed from 19/20 to 20/21. His usage rate has dropped. Many of his "money stats" are lower.

If you take Centers playing at least 25 minutes a night, he is the third best defensive rating in the league behind Gobert and Embiid.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&CF=MIN*GE*25

Combine that with the fact that his Fouls per 36 dropped from 5.7 to 3.6 over the last three years and I think he is getting better. He is staying on the court longer. Playing the correct way. Some of his other stats decline slightly as he stays home on fakes.

Apply the same filters (Centers playing 25 minutes or more) to Box Outs and you see he has the most box outs per game in the league at 5.0.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs/?CF=MIN*GE*25&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=BOX_OUTS&dir=1

For a defensive Center, he is among the best. And despite the money stats he is getting better.

I'd lock him up at 4 years 52mm if he would sign it. I think that contract earns out easily.

My debate was never about Mitch's defense. A defense center is not end-all-be-all anymore like it was yrs ago. We struggled to Score and was the slowest team in the NBA prior to micht going down.

look at the stats with and without Mitch
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-defensive-rating-with-and-without-mitchell-robinson-2021

We were up in up in almost every offensive category, especially the most important one "WINS".

He wasn't missed that much on defense either..Which makes him very easy to replace. He's not worth more than 6 mill per as a backup because you now have take into consideration he's injury prone.

The Statmuse link you use for Knicks defense literally says they are better with Mitch. 108 is better than 109 on defense rating.

In terms of offense with/without, neither Mitch nor Noel had any impact on the increase in 3 point shooting percentage.

Recall the team improved their 3 point shooting through hard work and computer analytics based on the $100k system the Knicks installed at the training facility (on all 6 courts) to improve the Knicks shooting.

Rebounds and blocks are up with him on the court. FT% is probably partially his fault. But that's just the difference between him and Noel. Just because we have a solid backup in Noel doesn't mean Mitch isn't good.

IMO he's just ok, lets see how he comes into training camp..

Avg 8 rebounds as a defense starting center is nothing to write home about, he also avg less than 1 assist which is completely unacceptable for any player in the NBA.

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8/19/2021  11:16 AM
Sad part is Mitch thinks his lawn-mower garage workout is impressive to people.

Most of league probably falls on floor watching that.

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8/19/2021  2:28 PM
LivingLegend wrote:Sad part is Mitch thinks his lawn-mower garage workout is impressive to people.

Most of league probably falls on floor watching that.

I remember him posting a short vid of just him mowing the lawn. What can I say, many people consider it a top priority. As for the gym, I'd prefer that he work out in his garage than risk getting out in Covid protocol. He can pretty much purchase anything he needs. He can go to Purchase for the other stuff.

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LivingLegend wrote:Sad part is Mitch thinks his lawn-mower garage workout is impressive to people.

Most of league probably falls on floor watching that.

I remember him posting a short vid of just him mowing the lawn. What can I say, many people consider it a top priority. As for the gym, I'd prefer that he work out in his garage than risk getting out in Covid protocol. He can pretty much purchase anything he needs. He can go to Purchase for the other stuff.

A video of him cleaning the glass would be more appropriate.

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8/20/2021  2:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/23/2021  8:34 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:Sad part is Mitch thinks his lawn-mower garage workout is impressive to people.

Most of league probably falls on floor watching that.

I remember him posting a short vid of just him mowing the lawn. What can I say, many people consider it a top priority. As for the gym, I'd prefer that he work out in his garage than risk getting out in Covid protocol. He can pretty much purchase anything he needs. He can go to Purchase for the other stuff.

A video of him cleaning the glass would be more appropriate.

Or howsabout 5000 free throws in a row in an empty gym with fake crowd noise blaring? Anything besides another summer of watching meaningless threes with no one on him.
Thibs will most likely kill anyone who kicks the ball out to Mitch at the 3 pt line.


You would think a pro ball player could afford to stock one wing of his house with workout equipment alone, instead of doing free commercials for Craftsman weedwackers in his funky garage...

Hope is a good thing. And nothing good ever dies, but it just may not make it too far in the playoffs. Or maybe it will...next year... after we trade away everything for Kawhi... and Dame... and CP3...
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