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Panos
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8/12/2021  9:35 AM
Has the nature of the draft changed, or have the Knicks just gotten much better at scouting drafting lower picks?

In the last 40 years, there were like 3 impact players picked in the second round: Ariza, Landry Fields, Gerald Wilkins.
For everyone of them, there were like 2 or 3 Andy Rautins, Greg Butler, Cleanthony Early, and Demarco Johnson (who?)

But in the last few years the Knicks have a good track record with late picks: Damyean Dotson, Mitchell Robinson, and now McBride (too early?)
Good for them!

Hell, 1996 they wasted THREE picks in the middle of the first round on: John Wallace, Dontae Jones and Walter McCarty?

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VDesai
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8/12/2021  9:57 AM
Knicks have been a bad drafting team for so long. Only exception is Isiah managed to pick up some really good value (Ariza rd.2? Frye, Lee, Robinson, Chandler stuck for a while and I thought his wild pick of Balkman might have worked for a min). Problem is he had a predeliction for trading all of our picks for questionable stars (a maddening era indeed).

Overall I think talent evaluation in the NBA is getting better, and the D League is giving teams a better shot at bringing up young talent. So we're swapping the end of the bench with two way contract guys instead of 37 year old Tony Massenberg types. Also allowing the 15 man roster instead of the 12 man with 3 questionable injuries I think is assisting in the player development and allowing more of these guys to stick. Finally, deeper talent pool with more high quality global players pushing some good NCAA talent a bit further down the draft.

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8/12/2021  11:05 AM
VDesai wrote:Knicks have been a bad drafting team for so long. Only exception is Isiah managed to pick up some really good value (Ariza rd.2? Frye, Lee, Robinson, Chandler stuck for a while and I thought his wild pick of Balkman might have worked for a min). Problem is he had a predeliction for trading all of our picks for questionable stars (a maddening era indeed).

Overall I think talent evaluation in the NBA is getting better, and the D League is giving teams a better shot at bringing up young talent. So we're swapping the end of the bench with two way contract guys instead of 37 year old Tony Massenberg types. Also allowing the 15 man roster instead of the 12 man with 3 questionable injuries I think is assisting in the player development and allowing more of these guys to stick. Finally, deeper talent pool with more high quality global players pushing some good NCAA talent a bit further down the draft.

Agree.....I would add that the 4 yr players are also being pushed down the draft, to make room for the 1 and done youngsters (who are hit or miss). But the 3 or 4 yr college draftees are coming in and providing great impact in their rookie season. But I also think our drafting process / personal has improved. So it's a combination of ALL OF THE ABOVE (in my humble opinion).

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8/12/2021  11:04 PM
I still wish we took Sharife Cooper omg he's absolutely KILLING the summer league.

21 points 9 assists + the 3 point buzzer beating game winner.

And right now I'm watching Atlanta vs Philly and Cooper already has 11 points and 9 assists.

I was SCREAMING for this kid before every pick. I was begging for him for weeks on end. Broke my heart every time we passed on him and pissed me off watching him go to ATLANTA.

I love Miles McBride but I'm not impressed with Quentin Grimes on offense. At all. I don't think I'm ever going to get over not drafting this kid. Passing on him was criminal.

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8/12/2021  11:29 PM
NYKMentality wrote:I still wish we took Sharife Cooper omg he's absolutely KILLING the summer league.

21 points 9 assists + the 3 point buzzer beating game winner.

And right now I'm watching Atlanta vs Philly and Cooper already has 11 points and 9 assists.

I was SCREAMING for this kid before every pick. I was begging for him for weeks on end. Broke my heart every time we passed on him and pissed me off watching him go to ATLANTA.

I love Miles McBride but I'm not impressed with Quentin Grimes on offense. At all. I don't think I'm ever going to get over not drafting this kid. Passing on him was criminal.

Think he will get his jersey retired next to Nate's?

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KnickDanger
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8/12/2021  11:34 PM
Sharife is working on his Hall of Fame speech as we post….
TheGame
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8/12/2021  11:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2021  11:55 PM
NYKMentality wrote:I still wish we took Sharife Cooper omg he's absolutely KILLING the summer league.

21 points 9 assists + the 3 point buzzer beating game winner.

And right now I'm watching Atlanta vs Philly and Cooper already has 11 points and 9 assists.

I was SCREAMING for this kid before every pick. I was begging for him for weeks on end. Broke my heart every time we passed on him and pissed me off watching him go to ATLANTA.

I love Miles McBride but I'm not impressed with Quentin Grimes on offense. At all. I don't think I'm ever going to get over not drafting this kid. Passing on him was criminal.

He is small, and I am not convinced he will do the same thing against NBA talent (I guess time will tell). We needed someone who could guard Trae Young and who could hit a three. I like Cooper too but Trey Burke’s showed out in summer league too but proved to be too small on defense to be a starter. Cooper looks the same.

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8/13/2021  4:58 AM
I think it’s our FO finally getting better at scouting talent- and then partly it was a deep draft this year. A lot of you guys probably forget or don’t know, but the draft used to be like 7 rounds.

Excited about our youth potential of this squad- sad that Knox couldn’t be here- and excited that our FO has amassed a solid # of second round picks over the next several years.

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8/13/2021  9:52 AM

Increase the number of picks you make you increase the results. We used to trade them away. So basically its the odds.
We used to employ what were good scouts but if you trade them picks you don’t get opportunity.
Keeping them is also paramount. Ariza was traded for on the way down and out Steve Francis.

And………….teams always miss picks. One team vs 29 others. The odds are the grass will look green somewhere. Every teams fans kick themselves. Sometimes you hit it like Donovan Mitchell at 14 when Frank, Dennis and Monk all look bad in comparison.

But its summer league. Even if a player is “killing it” its no sure thing he pans out. If struggling its no sure thing of failure.
Look at Knox vs. RJ Barrett. Sure RJ adjusted later in the week but my goodness he looked bad, then he look good. Not great thought. He is steadily getting better. We also have stuck by him and its reaping rewards. That is something entirely new!
A MULTIYEAR COMMITMENT TO DEVELOPMENT!!!!

Speaking of second round multiyear commitments………..Mitchell Robinson!

We are also keeping guys that perhaps later can become trade fodder.

while frank was a failed pick, we still gave him 4 years. HE came close. Showed potential and perhaps if injuries did not occur he might have developed enough to at least have some trade value. The point is not demonize the pick but that was held him 4 years. Knicks never did that **** before. We were Patient, thats the key!!

VDesai
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8/13/2021  11:40 AM
Cooper could literally be anything at this point. A ball dominant guard with an iffy outside shot and not a lot of size...even with innate playmaking ability and talent, on the NBA level you can still wind up with Sebastian Telfair. With minimal/size wingspan I think the one thing we can definitively say is he won't be much on defense. He was always gonna be a bit boom or bust. Intriguing guy for sure, but a long way to go before we can see if he sticks.
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