By the time these young players get to the NBA it's too late to try and convert them to a PG, IMO that's something that comes Natural and starts from Jr High school at the age of 14, 15,16 yrs old.

I'm not saying he can't do a little ball handling here and there, but to try and make him a floor general at 22 is reaching.

My Girlfriends son played with him in AAU and he said he never really ran the point and he was all about buckets.

Lets not do him like they did frank

Knixkik wrote:I think Summer league is where you try other things. Him playing some PG there is fine. Ultimately it's a position-less game and he should learn how to do both. Knicks have Walker, Rose, McBride, and a couple of euro projects. Quickley isn't being groomed as the PG. He's being groomed to play a combo guard role. The more experience the better.

blkexec wrote:I've said this 10 yrs ago. The PG and Center positions are going to be extinct. They don't exist in today position less basketball. But if IQ wants to start on this team, he has to show some play making ability. EF is not a PG. but he's a playmaker. Randle probably has as much or more assist than IQ. RJ is becoming a playmaker.

So the PG position has changed. But the PG playmaking capabilities will always remain. IQ is an average to below average by some, full time playmaker. IQ is better as a scorer, playing down hill, them using his playmaker skills whenever a scoring opportunity is not there. Nothing wrong having a Lue Williams career. I hope he continues to increase his strengths....instead of only focusing on his PG capabilities. Clearly his game is not built to focus on both. He's a scorer 1st....passing is his 2nd or 3rd option. Scoring and getting the other team in foul trouble should be him slim lame.

From what I have seen so far, his 1st option is too look for the 3 ball, his 2nd option is the floater, 3rd options is to initiate contact for a foul, 4th option is to pass.

Even though Luca and Trea can score, their 1st option is to pass, if the pass isn't there they look for the shot. They are just so good at reacting to the defense, bating players into the paint to defend the penetration or going behind screens.

IMO IQ hasn't even perfected what he does best, and you saw in the PO when the defense tightens up, he was a complete non factor.

When they ask Jokic how he is able to be such a good passer for a big man, he said he started out playing PG for yrs, and then he kept growing and growing into a Center.

NYKBocker wrote:IQ is in the mold of Vinnie Johnson.

IQ is kind of like a 3rd Curry brother, but somewhere in the middle of the scale between Seth and Steph.

Steph is the ultimate - can shoot from anywhere, on the move. He's pretty athletic, but relies just as much on his killer handle and motor to probe and attack defenders.

IQ kind of plays the same way, but his handle isn't as good and he can't shake defenders quite as well - particularly on his drives to the basket. Maybe he failed to develop this skill because his floater was too gosh darned reliable.

Seth Curry at age 30, is in my opinion is very similar skill wise to IQ at age 22 - though his main deficiency is that he has slower feet than IQ. So I think it might be reasonable to think/hope/expect IQ (if he has any level of improvement) to have a higher ceiling.

I think back to that one year where the Nets invested heavily into Richard Jefferson and gave him the reigns to do whatever the heck he wanted in the summer league. It helped him develop and understand what he could do against real competition and what he needed to improve on.

You need real game situations like this if you want to grow as a play maker, even if the coaches need to engineer this. (it's a bit like pre-season and minor league baseball's rehab assignments, particularly from a pitcher's standpoint. You might limit the toolkit and repeatedly target the same location to get more reps)

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:I've said this 10 yrs ago. The PG and Center positions are going to be extinct. They don't exist in today position less basketball. But if IQ wants to start on this team, he has to show some play making ability. EF is not a PG. but he's a playmaker. Randle probably has as much or more assist than IQ. RJ is becoming a playmaker.

So the PG position has changed. But the PG playmaking capabilities will always remain. IQ is an average to below average by some, full time playmaker. IQ is better as a scorer, playing down hill, them using his playmaker skills whenever a scoring opportunity is not there. Nothing wrong having a Lue Williams career. I hope he continues to increase his strengths....instead of only focusing on his PG capabilities. Clearly his game is not built to focus on both. He's a scorer 1st....passing is his 2nd or 3rd option. Scoring and getting the other team in foul trouble should be him slim lame.

From what I have seen so far, his 1st option is too look for the 3 ball, his 2nd option is the floater, 3rd options is to initiate contact for a foul, 4th option is to pass.

Even though Luca and Trea can score, their 1st option is to pass, if the pass isn't there they look for the shot. They are just so good at reacting to the defense, bating players into the paint to defend the penetration or going behind screens.

IMO IQ hasn't even perfected what he does best, and you saw in the PO when the defense tightens up, he was a complete non factor.

When they ask Jokic how he is able to be such a good passer for a big man, he said he started out playing PG for yrs, and then he kept growing and growing into a Center.

Yeah, but it took Trae a few years to reach that point. It was only two seasons ago when his teammates were complaining. That said, IQ's draft scouting report said he wasn't a PG. This shouldn't be surprise. The hope is that he can get to the level where he can provide some minutes of competent playmaking. I was hoping Luca could slide in and lessen the pressure, but I don't know...

He played better today because he looked for his shot first and still managed 7 assist, mostly to OBI

Nalod wrote:Lol, kid hangs 31 and 8.
1248 cast hof ballot today?
1. Knicks won. All need to know.
I caught the game between flights.
Summer league really don’t say much.
McBride looked useful but Grimes so-so. Simms has some game but the comp is light.

Right? Don’t tell me what he can’t do yet, he only just recently found out where the bathroom is.. let the year play out, if he improves great, if not whatever he’s already pretty good