VDesai wrote:Fournier is a way better player than Bullock. He can put the ball on the floor and distribute as a secondary playmaker. And he can shoot on the move. Bullock was mainly a stationary shooter on kick outs. Fournier can shoot off screens, shoot off dribble, etc. and has at least a bit of a floater game to augment his shooting. The offensive upgrade is unquestionable and makes our team better. But Bullock, while not being a lock down guy, was our no.1 perimeter defender so we have to see who takes his place there. The rookies Grimes and McBride will help. Hopefully Fournier can show more on that end.

For me Bullock was the no.1 perimeter defender cause who else was going to be? IMHO he was barely average and before this year really didn't have the defensive chops or accolades, he just put in effort.

Fournier is a huge step up as an offensive player from Bullock.

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:Fournier is a way better player than Bullock. He can put the ball on the floor and distribute as a secondary playmaker. And he can shoot on the move. Bullock was mainly a stationary shooter on kick outs. Fournier can shoot off screens, shoot off dribble, etc. and has at least a bit of a floater game to augment his shooting. The offensive upgrade is unquestionable and makes our team better. But Bullock, while not being a lock down guy, was our no.1 perimeter defender so we have to see who takes his place there. The rookies Grimes and McBride will help. Hopefully Fournier can show more on that end.

For me Bullock was the no.1 perimeter defender cause who else was going to be? IMHO he was barely average and before this year really didn't have the defensive chops or accolades, he just put in effort.

Fournier is a huge step up as an offensive player from Bullock.

I agree, hopefully Fournier with Thibs coaching gives a similar effort and we don't lose that much ground. Usually the French guys in the NBA come in with a good defensive effort, but Fournier never really had the rep. I think situationally it still would make sense to add someone like a Tony Snell here for a cheaper deal.

Outside of his defense, he looks like a great player to have that shouldn't impact the growth of the young players we added last year and thus year. I'm warming up to this signing and hopefully playing in and for NY will apply enough pressure for him to step up consistently. Frank and Randle will tell him what NY media and fans demand from their players. But im excited that the rooks who play PG and SG are not stuck behind an all star player like obi is. Next year, his contract will be tradable for a Bradley Beal type if needed. I give us a B for our FA pickups.

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TPercy wrote:My issue with him is that this contract reeks of Timmy, even if is just a year shorter.

But he's much better than Timmy.

TP, Tim has gotten almost the same contract twice in a row (4 year/71 mil with the Knicks, 4 year/74 mil with the Mavs). While the contract may not be worth it to you, maybe that is actually the going rate for a Hardaway caliber player in the league.

Hardaway is an average SG in this league and his salary (even back when the Knicks signed him he was the #15 paid SG or so) reflects that.

If they got Fournier who is a more multidimensional player, and may be considered an above average wing, I would consider that a decent contract.

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martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:Fournier is a way better player than Bullock. He can put the ball on the floor and distribute as a secondary playmaker. And he can shoot on the move. Bullock was mainly a stationary shooter on kick outs. Fournier can shoot off screens, shoot off dribble, etc. and has at least a bit of a floater game to augment his shooting. The offensive upgrade is unquestionable and makes our team better. But Bullock, while not being a lock down guy, was our no.1 perimeter defender so we have to see who takes his place there. The rookies Grimes and McBride will help. Hopefully Fournier can show more on that end.

For me Bullock was the no.1 perimeter defender cause who else was going to be? IMHO he was barely average and before this year really didn't have the defensive chops or accolades, he just put in effort.

Fournier is a huge step up as an offensive player from Bullock.

Young was able to guard him in the playoffs without consequence. Wouldn’t have been able to do that with Fournier.

That's a big deal and a huge reason why we needed a more multi-dimensional starter on the wing. Imagine of Young had to guard Rose instead of Bullock. Fournier could've easily posted Young or taken him to the basket, or ran him off screens. Any one of those things would've given him more of a challenge. Bullock was strictly a stationary type shooter and while he knocked the 3's down at a nice clip, he wasn't challenging you defensively.

all of this is true and what i was ranting about last night when the haters were howling. EF was not my first choice but he's a very good choice. Also consider how it can open up RJ and Julius (in particular) we will have guys on the floor who can create their own shot, or one for others off the dribble, or for cuts etc. Offense is really going to open up

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Knixkik wrote:

TPercy wrote:My issue with him is that this contract reeks of Timmy, even if is just a year shorter.

But he's much better than Timmy.

I'd say he's better than Timmy, but not by that much. They're in the same tier. Any tier higher and you're probably talking about a borderline All-Star.

For me, I take the perspective that playing next to Doncic has elevated the game of guys like THJr while Fournier has player with some crap PGs and teammates for a long while now

this is a great point. synergies

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VDesai wrote:I think we should compare the 3 wing guys who signed in the same range- Fournier, Hardaway Jr, Duncan Robinson. Hardaway/Fournier probably similar scoring the ball, but Fournier more versatile at creating offense (Timmy mostly likes to shoot) and has a bit more length. Robinson a true knockdown shooter and the best of the bunch on shooting, but probably behind the other two on offensive versatility and IMO gonna be behind the two on D. All 3 in the 27-29 range and making 18-19.5mm (19.5 assume the value of the team option is exercised for Fournier, or it could be marginally less). Honestly I think we came out with the best player here.

+1

And the shortest contract length

TPercy wrote:Lots of good points were mentioned on this page. Ok I don't feel too bad about it. We had to spend the money anyway and perhaps a guy like Barnes or something was available via trade so we went with this. Would have been much happier if this was a 3 year deal but out of all the bad contracts handed out we didn't do too bad. I just hope he buys in and brings it every night. With his added firepower hopefully we can run staggered lineups more often to maximize Randle/Barrett/Fournier/Rose

It is a 3 year deal. 4th year is non-guaranteed.