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Devonte’ Graham seems like a fit the more I think about it
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7/27/2021  9:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/27/2021  9:46 AM
He got pinched in Charlotte due to Ball and Rozier. He’s an elite 3pt shooter both assisted and unassisted. If the goal is to build around Randle and Barrett and let them steer the offense, he’s an ideal fit in that regard. He is only 26 and also CAA. He doesn’t put pressure on the rim but offers shot creation to off-set. He has been one of the more impactful guards in the league based on many advanced stats. He’s small but competes defensively and has excelled in multi-guard lineups, making a fit with Rose and Quickley doable, and should be a fit if we were to add an elite wing scorer down the road due to his effectiveness off the ball. Given his age he makes sense now and for the future. Was a break out player 2 seasons ago and could repeat in the right situation.
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7/27/2021  10:12 AM
I'm sure he's on the knicks FA board, just not at the TOP, and IMO options going in would be

1) sexton
2) lowery
3) Ball
4) dinwiddie
5) CP3
6) Reggie jackson
7) Graham

I would even reach out to see what's up with Brogdon, FOX or D russell.

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7/27/2021  10:38 AM
Yeah, I agree. I don't think Knicks have the chops to pull off Lowry and DeRozan but maybe Graham and Duncan Robinson are better. Even Graham's counting stats match up well, same points in same minutes with Lowry's 43 more assists heavily offset by his 42 more turnovers.

15 million for Graham puts CHA in a tough spot as it would soak up most of their space. Same with a 20 million offer for Duncan Robinson from Miami. Even if both teams match, taking them out of free agency ooens up more possibilities for New York.
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7/27/2021  11:28 AM
I have been wanting Graham once I realized that our current offensive creativity is limited to Randle's kickouts after he gets into the paint. We pretty much cannot get assists any other way. Devonte is right at the top of the league in points per PnR as a ball handler. And he assists nicely in PnR plays. He would be an excellent fit and would give us something other than one-on-one plays. Randle, RJ, Obi and Robinson would get a ton of points as roll men in the PnR
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7/27/2021  11:36 AM
ramtour420 wrote:I have been wanting Graham once I realized that our current offensive creativity is limited to Randle's kickouts after he gets into the paint. We pretty much cannot get assists any other way. Devonte is right at the top of the league in points per PnR as a ball handler. And he assists nicely in PnR plays. He would be an excellent fit and would give us something other than one-on-one plays. Randle, RJ, Obi and Robinson would get a ton of points as roll men in the PnR

Do you think CHA matches him for 15 million? If they don't CHA could offer Lonzo 20 per, if they match only 10?

Do you think SAS, OKC, NOP, maybe CHI try to outbid the NYK?
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7/27/2021  11:38 AM
knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure he's on the knicks FA board, just not at the TOP, and IMO options going in would be

1) sexton
2) lowery
3) Ball
4) dinwiddie
5) CP3
6) Reggie jackson
7) Graham

I would even reach out to see what's up with Brogdon, FOX or D russell.

I question if guys like Lowry and Dinwiddie are on the list at all. From a talent standpoint Graham isn’t at the top. From a fit and money standpoint, he’s probably higher. Same applies to Jackson with exception to age. Signing Graham or Jackson at 15 mil per year gives us a PG upgrade and still enough remaining flexibility to go after a max free agent next year if this is the chosen route.
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7/27/2021  11:39 AM
gradyandrew wrote:Yeah, I agree. I don't think Knicks have the chops to pull off Lowry and DeRozan but maybe Graham and Duncan Robinson are better. Even Graham's counting stats match up well, same points in same minutes with Lowry's 43 more assists heavily offset by his 42 more turnovers.

15 million for Graham puts CHA in a tough spot as it would soak up most of their space. Same with a 20 million offer for Duncan Robinson from Miami. Even if both teams match, taking them out of free agency ooens up more possibilities for New York.

20 mm for Duncan Robinson? What??????

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7/27/2021  11:39 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:I have been wanting Graham once I realized that our current offensive creativity is limited to Randle's kickouts after he gets into the paint. We pretty much cannot get assists any other way. Devonte is right at the top of the league in points per PnR as a ball handler. And he assists nicely in PnR plays. He would be an excellent fit and would give us something other than one-on-one plays. Randle, RJ, Obi and Robinson would get a ton of points as roll men in the PnR

Do you think CHA matches him for 15 million? If they don't CHA could offer Lonzo 20 per, if they match only 10?

Do you think SAS, OKC, NOP, maybe CHI try to outbid the NYK?

I don’t see how Charlotte would match Graham at 15 when he will be coming off the bench and they have other holes to address. They would be better off retaining Monk as the third guard for much cheaper and address their wing and center needs.
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7/27/2021  11:46 AM
Knixkik wrote:He got pinched in Charlotte due to Ball and Rozier. He’s an elite 3pt shooter both assisted and unassisted. If the goal is to build around Randle and Barrett and let them steer the offense, he’s an ideal fit in that regard. He is only 26 and also CAA. He doesn’t put pressure on the rim but offers shot creation to off-set. He has been one of the more impactful guards in the league based on many advanced stats. He’s small but competes defensively and has excelled in multi-guard lineups, making a fit with Rose and Quickley doable, and should be a fit if we were to add an elite wing scorer down the road due to his effectiveness off the ball. Given his age he makes sense now and for the future. Was a break out player 2 seasons ago and could repeat in the right situation.

He shot 37% from 3 on high volume. How are you describing that as elite?

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7/27/2021  11:52 AM
Yes I think he is a good fit here. Would he take an offer sheet of like 4/60? he's an RFA,
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7/27/2021  11:56 AM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He got pinched in Charlotte due to Ball and Rozier. He’s an elite 3pt shooter both assisted and unassisted. If the goal is to build around Randle and Barrett and let them steer the offense, he’s an ideal fit in that regard. He is only 26 and also CAA. He doesn’t put pressure on the rim but offers shot creation to off-set. He has been one of the more impactful guards in the league based on many advanced stats. He’s small but competes defensively and has excelled in multi-guard lineups, making a fit with Rose and Quickley doable, and should be a fit if we were to add an elite wing scorer down the road due to his effectiveness off the ball. Given his age he makes sense now and for the future. Was a break out player 2 seasons ago and could repeat in the right situation.

He shot 37% from 3 on high volume. How are you describing that as elite?

Graham is one of 5 players in the league to shoot 37% from 3pt on 8+ Attempts over the last 2 seasons. His role probably dulls his percentages a bit. He does most of his damage unassisted but alongside Randle and Barrett in a starting lineup his assisted threes would likely increase as well as percentage.
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7/27/2021  12:00 PM
Yeah I think Graham is a good 3 pt shooter- decent % on high volume and I think we can get him closer to 40 given he won't need to be pushing 8+ 3's here. I believe he's a good fit for this team and is the FA PG I have the most interest in. If we come out of this draft with a good PG prospect I'd just re-up D Rose and look elsewhere, but otherwise would have interest in Graham.
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7/27/2021  12:44 PM
Interesting his overall FG% is virtually the same as his 3 point %!
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7/27/2021  1:02 PM
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gradyandrew wrote:Yeah, I agree. I don't think Knicks have the chops to pull off Lowry and DeRozan but maybe Graham and Duncan Robinson are better. Even Graham's counting stats match up well, same points in same minutes with Lowry's 43 more assists heavily offset by his 42 more turnovers.

15 million for Graham puts CHA in a tough spot as it would soak up most of their space. Same with a 20 million offer for Duncan Robinson from Miami. Even if both teams match, taking them out of free agency ooens up more possibilities for New York.

20 mm for Duncan Robinson? What??????

Maybe? He made 520 3s over the past season and his next 3 seasons will presumably be his prime. He seems like a step up from Bullock but not as good as Tim Hardaway Jr. Not really sure how much Miami is willing to mstch. Maybe as low as 10 million if they want to make a play in free agency. If they match NYK, they can't immediately flip Robinson.
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7/27/2021  1:11 PM
Good bench player! Let’s see how things shape up as we move down the list.
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7/27/2021  1:15 PM
gradyandrew wrote:Yeah, I agree. I don't think Knicks have the chops to pull off Lowry and DeRozan but maybe Graham and Duncan Robinson are better. Even Graham's counting stats match up well, same points in same minutes with Lowry's 43 more assists heavily offset by his 42 more turnovers.

15 million for Graham puts CHA in a tough spot as it would soak up most of their space. Same with a 20 million offer for Duncan Robinson from Miami. Even if both teams match, taking them out of free agency ooens up more possibilities for New York.

Graham also has a fantastic wingspan. I would give him the starting spot without much hesitation.

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7/27/2021  7:05 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He got pinched in Charlotte due to Ball and Rozier. He’s an elite 3pt shooter both assisted and unassisted. If the goal is to build around Randle and Barrett and let them steer the offense, he’s an ideal fit in that regard. He is only 26 and also CAA. He doesn’t put pressure on the rim but offers shot creation to off-set. He has been one of the more impactful guards in the league based on many advanced stats. He’s small but competes defensively and has excelled in multi-guard lineups, making a fit with Rose and Quickley doable, and should be a fit if we were to add an elite wing scorer down the road due to his effectiveness off the ball. Given his age he makes sense now and for the future. Was a break out player 2 seasons ago and could repeat in the right situation.

He shot 37% from 3 on high volume. How are you describing that as elite?

Compared to Elf and DSJ it’s elite
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7/27/2021  7:29 PM
KnickDanger wrote:Interesting his overall FG% is virtually the same as his 3 point %!

Yeah, and that's part of the problem. His three point shooting doesn't create quite the same gravity as someone like Trae Young because he doesn't create the same level of fear when he gets in the paint. His finishing is below average. Still, it's upgrade over that guys we had last season, whatshisname.

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7/27/2021  8:26 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure he's on the knicks FA board, just not at the TOP, and IMO options going in would be

1) sexton
2) lowery
3) Ball
4) dinwiddie
5) CP3
6) Reggie jackson
7) Graham

I would even reach out to see what's up with Brogdon, FOX or D russell.

Id kick the tires on a trade for Brogdon and Turner

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