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NardDogNation
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7/24/2021  12:24 PM
Would you all be willing to trade Julius Randle as well as picks 19, 21 and 32 to tbe Cavs for the no.3 pick, Kevin Love and Taurean Prince?
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7/24/2021  12:35 PM
Why would we give up our best player for a No. 3 pick. You are trading an allstar for an unproven player who might never be as good as Randle. Plus you are adding all the rest of our picks. That might be the worst trade proposal I have ever heard.
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7/24/2021  12:38 PM
Maybe. Depends if I'm trying to reset the rebuild. I'm pretty sure Cleveland doesn't tho.
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7/24/2021  12:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2021  12:48 PM
I'll be frank: I don't want to pay Julius Randle max money. He only has one year left on his contract and I'd prefer to get assets back for him ASAP rather than run the risk of finding out his past season was a fluke and be stuck with an albatross of a contract. That doesn't mean I'd dump him for any and everything because what he did do was impressive, especially under the bright lights of New York. I think netting the no.3 pick (at a loss of cap space) is the kind of return I think makes sense for us and where we are in our building process.

I'm not sure if it makes as much sense for the Cavs though. Cap space is meaningless to them, unless they are using it to acquire draft picks attached to bad contracts. But Randle is a pretty good player and young enough to build a competitive core with Collin Sexton, Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen and Isaac Okoro. And with how deep this draft is, they'd have an opportunity to add 2-3 rotation players with picks 19, 21 and 32. I think they'd at least have to consider that offer considering the talent it adds and flexibility it provides financially although I don't think I'd do it if I were them.

With that no.3 pick, I'd want Evan Mobley but would be more than happy with Jalen Green if the Rockets took Mobley at 2. That'd be a nice trio with Barrett and Quickley already in the mix. Time will tell what Toppin provides; maybe we could add him to that core.

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7/24/2021  12:46 PM
TheGame wrote:Why would we give up our best player for a No. 3 pick. You are trading an allstar for an unproven player who might never be as good as Randle. Plus you are adding all the rest of our picks. That might be the worst trade proposal I have ever heard.

Our best player was a dude nobody wanted just a season before; how quickly do we forget. Not all no.3 picks are created equal. If it was a draft where you had to settle on an Otto Porter or Adam Morrison type, I'd understand your apprehension. This draft though has the hype it does for a reason. The **** I'm seeing from guys like Evan Mobley is can't-miss-potential type of ability like we've seen from past no.1 overall picks like Anthony Davis. There is always risk involved but we're a team capable of assuming more risk than most because of our marquee status and finances. And personally, the risk of Evan Mobley/Jalen Green not working out is more platable than paying Julius Randle 4-5 seasons of max based on a season or two of good play.

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7/24/2021  1:14 PM
Odds of #3 pick being as good or better than Randle is still less than likely so I’ll stick with Randle given his age. If he was 30+ it might be different but when you sign allstars in their primes you keep them because they are hard to get.
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7/24/2021  1:33 PM
This doesn't make sense for anyone. How about Wiseman and pick for Randle? Kind of in the same vein but at least remotely possible.
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7/24/2021  1:36 PM
gradyandrew wrote:This doesn't make sense for anyone. How about Wiseman and pick for Randle? Kind of in the same vein but at least remotely possible.

The feeling is mutual with your proposal

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7/24/2021  1:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2021  1:44 PM
Knixkik wrote:Odds of #3 pick being as good or better than Randle is still less than likely so I’ll stick with Randle given his age. If he was 30+ it might be different but when you sign allstars in their primes you keep them because they are hard to get.

Not necessarily. The no.3 pick has produced some pretty solid talent in recent years, including RJ Barrett. Beyond a really good season with us and a good season with the Pelicans as a 6th man, what about Randle suggests he'll be worth max moving forward? I've got love for him and what he's done but that doesn't mean we should overlook potential pitfalls with him. If I would've made the same offer last offseason, you'd think the Cavs were getting screwed.

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7/24/2021  1:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2021  1:52 PM
I would only do this for Suggs or Cunningham where you are pretty much guaranteed a superstar at the PG position, but it would be hit on the progress we built culture-wise.
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7/24/2021  2:17 PM
Trade #3 to clear cap space for a team no good free agents would touch and for a guy who may leave team?

It's gotta make sense for Cleveland and this is far from it

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7/24/2021  3:15 PM
martin wrote:Trade #3 to clear cap space for a team no good free agents would touch and for a guy who may leave team?

It's gotta make sense for Cleveland and this is far from it

The cap space offers them the flexibility to actually keep Randle. Only he, Jarrett Allen and Collin Sexton (if they extend him) would be making more than 8 figures by the end of 2022. If they prove to be competitive (started off last season strong), free agents will take their money just like a Gordon Hayward took Charlotte's money. Doesn't mean they are going to get superstars but they can still overpay for good players, especially with only a fraction of the 29 teams having cap space to work with.

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7/24/2021  5:30 PM
This doesn’t work for either team. I would love that number 3 pick. However, none of those top prospects are guaranteed to be better than Randle.... and this would make Thibs quit tomorrow. Cleveland gets a guy for that huge pick that could bolt next year.

And I agree I’m not convinced about giving Randle a max.

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7/24/2021  5:38 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:This doesn’t work for either team. I would love that number 3 pick. However, none of those top prospects are guaranteed to be better than Randle.... and this would make Thibs quit tomorrow. Cleveland gets a guy for that huge pick that could bolt next year.

And I agree I’m not convinced about giving Randle a max.


I disagree about that #3 pick. The upside of those guys are way more impressive than Randle's. Realistically, how much better can Randle get. Last season is about as good as the Lakers could've hoped for when they drafted him. He's not going to get more athletic. His 3 point percentage isn't likely going to get better. His passing isn't likely to improve that much. Randle was great last season and, yet, I think most of us agree that Randle isn't the 1A on a title team. Cade, Mobley and Green have the potential to be that guy. From Clev's standpoint, why give that type of money to Randle when he's not guaranteed to take them to a play-in game? The best move for them is to continue the rebuild.
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7/24/2021  5:44 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
TheGame wrote:Why would we give up our best player for a No. 3 pick. You are trading an allstar for an unproven player who might never be as good as Randle. Plus you are adding all the rest of our picks. That might be the worst trade proposal I have ever heard.

Our best player was a dude nobody wanted just a season before; how quickly do we forget. Not all no.3 picks are created equal. If it was a draft where you had to settle on an Otto Porter or Adam Morrison type, I'd understand your apprehension. This draft though has the hype it does for a reason. The **** I'm seeing from guys like Evan Mobley is can't-miss-potential type of ability like we've seen from past no.1 overall picks like Anthony Davis. There is always risk involved but we're a team capable of assuming more risk than most because of our marquee status and finances. And personally, the risk of Evan Mobley/Jalen Green not working out is more platable than paying Julius Randle 4-5 seasons of max based on a season or two of good play.

At this point, we don’t know what we will have to pay Randle. If he takes the extension this offseason, then that is like $27-$28 mil per year, which is what he worth. Now I agree I don’t want to pay Randle $30.5+ per year but you don’t trade a proven player for hope. There is no way any person we pick at 3 is going to have the same impact as Randle, this year, next year, and probably even into year three. Plus, you are talking about also giving up all our picks. I mean if it were just a straight Randle for No. 3 and Mobley was there, then I could see how you might be able to consider that when you take into account that frees up minutes for Toppin, who I like, but even then I would not make that trade.

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7/24/2021  6:07 PM
100% Yes!! I could list all the reasons - but I've been doing that for the past 30 posts. Do agree that I don't think Clev would do this though. I'd do it for Wiseman and #7 pick as well. Worst thing we could do is not recognize that Randle is the poker equivalent of a straight - maybe even a flush. Nobody expected that much so it's exciting but there are still several levels above that are better (eg full house, 4of kind, straight/royal flush)... Because we have sucked for so long/haven't won a hand in so long we're overestimating our hand. Fold now so we can have a chance at drafting a straight flush. I would call RJ a flush with potential to turn into a straight flush
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7/24/2021  6:26 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Would you all be willing to trade Julius Randle as well as picks 19, 21 and 32 to tbe Cavs for the no.3 pick, Kevin Love and Taurean Prince?


This is actually a pretty interesting scenario.

I'd say Yes if there were a pair of trigger trades waiting. I.E. getting 3 and moving back. Then moving back again. It would amount to buying draft picks with Love's ****ting contract as the leverage.

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7/24/2021  8:01 PM
How about #3 and Sexton Kevin love
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7/24/2021  9:30 PM
Negative. Randle is an all-star that wants to be here. Class act, hard worker. Seems like his energy and work ethic rub off on others guys too. And I wouldn’t bet against him improving his game next year.

I’d be happy to see him as team captain for the foreseeable future.

Hmmm, do we even have an anointed team captain?

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7/24/2021  11:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2021  11:32 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:This doesn’t work for either team. I would love that number 3 pick. However, none of those top prospects are guaranteed to be better than Randle.... and this would make Thibs quit tomorrow. Cleveland gets a guy for that huge pick that could bolt next year.

And I agree I’m not convinced about giving Randle a max.

Nothing is gauranteed, in life or sport. Randle's had one good season, on the heels of a season everyone wanted to dump him. I've become a fan of his but that doesn't me I or anyone else should be blind to his past and what he's been.

That aside, Thibs can quit if he wants to. Good luck finding another job at his age and reputation. Players are more important than coaches in this league and a guy like Mobley has the ability to be franchise-level good. I think Mobley over him, anyday.

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