Are there any contracts that come to mind? I know I saw a Bledsoe trade floated since his second year is only partially guaranteed. Don’t think I’d be a fan of that since I’d rather get a young PG and pair him with Rose.

If we bring back Elf and Rose we aren’t making the playoffs

knicks1248 wrote:We keep saving our Cap space for the following off season, and BY the time it comes around the class has dried up to 2nd tier players you have to overpay for.

It’s the right philosophy. We just again became a desirable location again for top tier free agents. Do you really want to go back to the Isiah/Scott Layden days of cap hell with past their prime scrubs getting their nba $50 million nba retirement packages here?

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:We keep saving our Cap space for the following off season, and BY the time it comes around the class has dried up to 2nd tier players you have to overpay for.

It’s the right philosophy. We just again became a desirable location again for top tier free agents. Do you really want to go back to the Isiah/Scott Layden days of cap hell with past their prime scrubs getting their nba $50 million nba retirement packages here?

The knicks have never ever sign a top tier FA under no regime in my life time, NOT in EWINGS 15 YR career, Not under Layden, IT, Walsh, phil, Mills.

It didn't matter if we were a great team, good team, team on the rise, rebuilding, whatever, no one has ever came here.

Then it came down to the knicks are willing to absorb unwanted contracts of productive players like CP3 and Westbrook, that didn't happen.

Walsh thought Lebron, Bosh, or wade was coming here, Phil thought everyone would sign on for the TRIANGLE, Mills and Perry Thought (because we had a black FO) KD, Kyrie, Kawhi and other top FA would come here.

I'm sure Leon and WWW was a little caught off guard when haywood, FVV and CP3 weren't interested last off season.

Sexton is right around the Level Allan Houston and Randle were at when we acquired them, ready to take their game to the next level.

If there's anything this yrs finally showed us, it's that you don't need a roster full of ALL stars to win it all

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:We keep saving our Cap space for the following off season, and BY the time it comes around the class has dried up to 2nd tier players you have to overpay for.

It’s the right philosophy. We just again became a desirable location again for top tier free agents. Do you really want to go back to the Isiah/Scott Layden days of cap hell with past their prime scrubs getting their nba $50 million nba retirement packages here?

The knicks have never ever sign a top tier FA under no regime in my life time, NOT in EWINGS 15 YR career, Not under Layden, IT, Walsh, phil, Mills.

It didn't matter if we were a great team, good team, team on the rise, rebuilding, whatever, no one has ever came here.

Then it came down to the knicks are willing to absorb unwanted contracts of productive players like CP3 and Westbrook, that didn't happen.

Walsh thought Lebron, Bosh, or wade was coming here, Phil thought everyone would sign on for the TRIANGLE, Mills and Perry Thought (because we had a black FO) KD, Kyrie, Kawhi and other top FA would come here.

I'm sure Leon and WWW was a little caught off guard when haywood, FVV and CP3 weren't interested last off season.

Sexton is right around the Level Allan Houston and Randle were at when we acquired them, ready to take their game to the next level.

If there's anything this yrs finally showed us, it's that you don't need a roster full of ALL stars to win it all

Point blank: this is the mentality of a loser

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:We keep saving our Cap space for the following off season, and BY the time it comes around the class has dried up to 2nd tier players you have to overpay for.

It’s the right philosophy. We just again became a desirable location again for top tier free agents. Do you really want to go back to the Isiah/Scott Layden days of cap hell with past their prime scrubs getting their nba $50 million nba retirement packages here?

The knicks have never ever sign a top tier FA under no regime in my life time, NOT in EWINGS 15 YR career, Not under Layden, IT, Walsh, phil, Mills.

It didn't matter if we were a great team, good team, team on the rise, rebuilding, whatever, no one has ever came here.

Then it came down to the knicks are willing to absorb unwanted contracts of productive players like CP3 and Westbrook, that didn't happen.

Walsh thought Lebron, Bosh, or wade was coming here, Phil thought everyone would sign on for the TRIANGLE, Mills and Perry Thought (because we had a black FO) KD, Kyrie, Kawhi and other top FA would come here.

I'm sure Leon and WWW was a little caught off guard when haywood, FVV and CP3 weren't interested last off season.

Sexton is right around the Level Allan Houston and Randle were at when we acquired them, ready to take their game to the next level.

If there's anything this yrs finally showed us, it's that you don't need a roster full of ALL stars to win it all

Point blank: this is the mentality of a loser

So the knicks FO has a loser mentality because they are aggressively going after SEXTON (which im all for)

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:We keep saving our Cap space for the following off season, and BY the time it comes around the class has dried up to 2nd tier players you have to overpay for.

It’s the right philosophy. We just again became a desirable location again for top tier free agents. Do you really want to go back to the Isiah/Scott Layden days of cap hell with past their prime scrubs getting their nba $50 million nba retirement packages here?

The knicks have never ever sign a top tier FA under no regime in my life time, NOT in EWINGS 15 YR career, Not under Layden, IT, Walsh, phil, Mills.

It didn't matter if we were a great team, good team, team on the rise, rebuilding, whatever, no one has ever came here.

Then it came down to the knicks are willing to absorb unwanted contracts of productive players like CP3 and Westbrook, that didn't happen.

Walsh thought Lebron, Bosh, or wade was coming here, Phil thought everyone would sign on for the TRIANGLE, Mills and Perry Thought (because we had a black FO) KD, Kyrie, Kawhi and other top FA would come here.

I'm sure Leon and WWW was a little caught off guard when haywood, FVV and CP3 weren't interested last off season.

Sexton is right around the Level Allan Houston and Randle were at when we acquired them, ready to take their game to the next level.

If there's anything this yrs finally showed us, it's that you don't need a roster full of ALL stars to win it all

Point blank: this is the mentality of a loser

So the knicks FO has a loser mentality because they are aggressively going after SEXTON (which im all for)

No, it was about your thought process. When you irrationally put up roadblocks to what you can and want to do for no particular reason, it's why you will continue to fail.

When you always perceived something in a Negative sense, you will always seem closed minded, narrow minded, or in denial, which seems to be how your cominning across.

My thought process AND THE REALITY of it all, is that the KNICKS NEVER signed a TOP DOG FA in 40+ yrs, and until that changes it's safe to say it's a slim to no chance of it happening...If happens now Great, but when you have a 0 for 40 track record..well lets just say optimism is not at a high point.

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:We keep saving our Cap space for the following off season, and BY the time it comes around the class has dried up to 2nd tier players you have to overpay for.

It’s the right philosophy. We just again became a desirable location again for top tier free agents. Do you really want to go back to the Isiah/Scott Layden days of cap hell with past their prime scrubs getting their nba $50 million nba retirement packages here?

The knicks have never ever sign a top tier FA under no regime in my life time, NOT in EWINGS 15 YR career, Not under Layden, IT, Walsh, phil, Mills.

It didn't matter if we were a great team, good team, team on the rise, rebuilding, whatever, no one has ever came here.

Then it came down to the knicks are willing to absorb unwanted contracts of productive players like CP3 and Westbrook, that didn't happen.

Walsh thought Lebron, Bosh, or wade was coming here, Phil thought everyone would sign on for the TRIANGLE, Mills and Perry Thought (because we had a black FO) KD, Kyrie, Kawhi and other top FA would come here.

I'm sure Leon and WWW was a little caught off guard when haywood, FVV and CP3 weren't interested last off season.

Sexton is right around the Level Allan Houston and Randle were at when we acquired them, ready to take their game to the next level.

If there's anything this yrs finally showed us, it's that you don't need a roster full of ALL stars to win it all

I actually took something different from this year. I saw a lot of teams full of All Stars fail miserably. I also saw teams that were good teams have more players play like all stars. One thing that Bud does so well is his efficiency on offense. He brought in more defensive players and played highly efficient offense. It certainly helps to have Giannis on the floor. But that team is a well coached and well constructed team. They do not have the same level of talent as many other teams in the NBA. But they don't give up eFG in their shot selection and they play tough defense. For me, this finals hammers home the role of defense and eFG in winning games. Honestly, good defense just makes teams take shots outside their best eFG.

You say need more All Stars. I say need more eFG.

If you open up these two shot charts for the Knicks this season. Knicks had the better defense this season. Bucks had the much more efficient offense. It helps to open up both tabs at the same time and flip back and forth to see the differences -- its hard to see by themselves. The difference is mainly the Knicks propensity to take 18 foot jump shots -- but there is a tightness around the Bucks shots in the paint and the bulk of shots from the top of the key.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/milwaukee-bucks-shot-chart-this-season

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/new-york-knicks-shot-chart-this-season

It could be more "all stars" but in my head, this is the difference between 55.6% eFG and 52% eFG. Some of that difference is talent. Some of it is shot selection.

LivingLegend wrote:NO has both S Adams and Bledsoe —- along with 10th pick.

Something like a Adams and #10 for Knox & 21 might work.

Maybe select a Moses Moody and Adams replaces Noel - also gives flexibility if Mitch trades are being considered.

Something similar with Bledsoe could work and Bledsoe 2nd year I think is only $5M guarantee but not sure #10’would be as obtainable in Bledsoe deal

EwingsGlass wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

KnicksFever wrote:Given the FA class this year, I think it would be best for the knicks to go one more year before making any big moves. Given that, they should utilize their cap space to try and get some draft capital or young talent by taking on a large one year expiring contract.

Are there any contracts that come to mind? I know I saw a Bledsoe trade floated since his second year is only partially guaranteed. Don’t think I’d be a fan of that since I’d rather get a young PG and pair him with Rose.

Not expiring but overpaid players who actually could be useful and would come with some type of assets to allow another team to shed their salaries - Tobias Harris and Buddy Hield.

Harris is actually a damn good player, just wildly overpaid against market value.

I agree with you on both players. What do you think the Knicks get to take both players?

This takes us out of 2023, but they are good core players. Not sure how Hield acclimates to Thibs.

Morey would want the largest trade exception possible for Harris, so the Knicks would only have to give up something like the rights to Laberyie just to make the trade legal and absorb Harris into their empty cap space. My guess is the return would be Shake Milton and Isaiah Joe plus draft assets. The 76ers only make this move if they can get Lillard for Simmons and they'd need Maxey and Thybulle to make a legitimate run at a ring. Lillard would also need a handshake deal from someone else to also join up. Technically the 76ers could also ask the Knicks to take in George Hill, then cut him and eat the sub 1.3 million dollar buyout. The draft return would need to be higher though.

If the Thunder are dragged into a deal, they have a couple of high 2nds in this draft that are immensely valuable. If the 76ers can get the Knicks those picks, that's a solid spot to find talent that would go early 20s in any other draft.

On Hield, I think the Kings ask for MRob. I don't think it would cost much. Ranadive has finally figured out he needs to rent his cap space to try to garner more draft assets and just focus on the draft. Trades and FA won't help him.