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BRIGGS
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7/1/2021  8:40 AM
This year can be a game changing draft for the Knicks. There’s a wide variety of players that can really help us from day 1.

But I think we need to spend some of our draft capital on a serviceable back up center who has the ability to play right now.

Here’s my thought process.

I’m beginning to think we should use our top 3 picks on the wing/ backcourt.

Just for example

Say 19 Duarte Giddey
21. Cooper Mann
32. Murphy Thor

There’s 4 wing players 2 Pgs.

Now here’s what I’m thinking. Trade 58 for a future and move up in rd 2 for a center. The centers I believe are the players that can be had between 38-46

I’m not a fan of isiah Jackson — he’s wY to small and raw— and we have a better version of him under contract.

I’m thinking Bassey Jericho Sims( my pick)

So do you think this is a good plan?

Use the top 3 picks ups n the wing pg— trade out 58 and identify how high we can move up rd 2 for a back up center?

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Knixkik
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7/1/2021  8:57 AM
BRIGGS wrote:This year can be a game changing draft for the Knicks. There’s a wide variety of players that can really help us from day 1.

But I think we need to spend some of our draft capital on a serviceable back up center who has the ability to play right now.

Here’s my thought process.

I’m beginning to think we should use our top 3 picks on the wing/ backcourt.

Just for example

Say 19 Duarte Giddey
21. Cooper Mann
32. Murphy Thor

There’s 4 wing players 2 Pgs.

Now here’s what I’m thinking. Trade 58 for a future and move up in rd 2 for a center. The centers I believe are the players that can be had between 38-46

I’m not a fan of isiah Jackson — he’s wY to small and raw— and we have a better version of him under contract.

I’m thinking Bassey Jericho Sims( my pick)

So do you think this is a good plan?

Use the top 3 picks ups n the wing pg— trade out 58 and identify how high we can move up rd 2 for a back up center?

I like Jackson if he falls to 21. He’s very similar to Noel and has some more offensive upside. I just want to see us really focus on adding an elite shooting wing. Duarte or Murphy if we stay at 19. Bouknight should be the move up target. This can be a really good draft for the Knicks.

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7/1/2021  9:29 AM
I would like to see what centers fall into the #32 range
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BRIGGS
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7/1/2021  9:48 AM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:This year can be a game changing draft for the Knicks. There’s a wide variety of players that can really help us from day 1.

But I think we need to spend some of our draft capital on a serviceable back up center who has the ability to play right now.

Here’s my thought process.

I’m beginning to think we should use our top 3 picks on the wing/ backcourt.

Just for example

Say 19 Duarte Giddey
21. Cooper Mann
32. Murphy Thor

There’s 4 wing players 2 Pgs.

Now here’s what I’m thinking. Trade 58 for a future and move up in rd 2 for a center. The centers I believe are the players that can be had between 38-46

I’m not a fan of isiah Jackson — he’s wY to small and raw— and we have a better version of him under contract.

I’m thinking Bassey Jericho Sims( my pick)

So do you think this is a good plan?

Use the top 3 picks ups n the wing pg— trade out 58 and identify how high we can move up rd 2 for a back up center?

I like Jackson if he falls to 21. He’s very similar to Noel and has some more offensive upside. I just want to see us really focus on adding an elite shooting wing. Duarte or Murphy if we stay at 19. Bouknight should be the move up target. This can be a really good draft for the Knicks.

Im not a fan of Jackson who weighs 200 pounds when he is wet Hes not as tall as Mitch and has the exact style of play. Sims weighs 50 pounds more and Bassey 30(and is way more skilled) Jackson is raw not worthy of pick 21

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7/1/2021  5:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2021  5:44 PM
A lot of talent in this draft. Shame our coach and front office allegedly prefer 30 year old vets.

Who cares about taking roster spots or adding 5m to our cap


If one of these 4 players turn into a big time contributer to our future it’s a great succcess!


Just 1/4 has to be good. I would gladly use 5m in cap space and roster spots to add 1 player who helps us out.


How I see it…


Better odds to find a “player” with 4 chances


Than to say your sure this 1 guy is it that your moving up for.


Off the top only bouknight and mitchel I see helping us out if they fall in the 10-15 range you move up and get them.


I don’t want to hear about the 4s in that range or moody giddy etc

It’s bouknight or mitchel or draft talent where our picks fall

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7/1/2021  7:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2021  8:25 PM
xblvdels3 wrote:A lot of talent in this draft. Shame our coach and front office allegedly prefer 30 year old vets.

Who cares about taking roster spots or adding 5m to our cap


If one of these 4 players turn into a big time contributer to our future it’s a great succcess!


Just 1/4 has to be good. I would gladly use 5m in cap space and roster spots to add 1 player who helps us out.


How I see it…


Better odds to find a “player” with 4 chances


Than to say your sure this 1 guy is it that your moving up for.


Off the top only bouknight and mitchel I see helping us out if they fall in the 10-15 range you move up and get them.


I don’t want to hear about the 4s in that range or moody giddy etc

It’s bouknight or mitchel or draft talent where our picks fall

If the pick is not better than anybody we have or acquire then why bother.

Good teams don't rely on draft picks to get better. If that player is not NBA ready he is going to be benched or a limited role...draft by need..

The knicks need a pg desperately but they draft Toppin cause he seems like the most talented, now your saying things like if he learns how do this or that he can fit.

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7/1/2021  8:55 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Just for example

Say 19 Duarte Giddey
21. Cooper Mann
32. Murphy Thor

Now here’s what I’m thinking. Trade 58 for a future and move up in rd 2 for a center. The centers I believe are the players that can be had between 38-46


So do you think this is a good plan?


Giddey will be overdrafted before 19th.

Duarte, Cooper and Mann will likely fall later than 19 and 21. If the Knicks want those players, odds are they should try to trade back ( whether those trades will be there is another story and complication)

58th has very little sale/trade value. The best value is a draft and stash in Europe. Taking an American player means some guaranteed money. The CBA doesn't require teams to give 2nd rounders any guaranteed money at all, however that's not how it actually works. The pan out rate for a late 2nd rounder is horrible and even a pittance of money in the grand scheme of the entire cap is a huge deal to a fringe player. A Euro Stash allows you to hold off on the player's actual service time and not worry about paying him ( some other foreign team will house, feed and pay him) nor developing him against better competition.

Cash poor teams are enticed to sell picks in that range.

Knicks are a cash rich team, so this isn't such a huge issue.

Knicks should just take Best Player Available. Doesn't matter the position, just the best projectible player they can get. Serviceable veteran pivots will be available at the fringes of UFA at the veteran's minimum.

Here's the problem with big men in general. They are more injury prone, they have a longer developmental timeline and there's market saturation for replacement level candidates.

If you can get an AD or an Embiid or Jokic, then great, but what are the odds of that?

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7/1/2021  9:13 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:A lot of talent in this draft. Shame our coach and front office allegedly prefer 30 year old vets.

Who cares about taking roster spots or adding 5m to our cap


If one of these 4 players turn into a big time contributer to our future it’s a great succcess!


Just 1/4 has to be good. I would gladly use 5m in cap space and roster spots to add 1 player who helps us out.


How I see it…


Better odds to find a “player” with 4 chances


Than to say your sure this 1 guy is it that your moving up for.


Off the top only bouknight and mitchel I see helping us out if they fall in the 10-15 range you move up and get them.


I don’t want to hear about the 4s in that range or moody giddy etc

It’s bouknight or mitchel or draft talent where our picks fall

If the pick is not better than anybody we have or acquire then why bother.

Good teams don't rely on draft picks to get better. If that player is not NBA ready he is going to be benched or a limited role...draft by need..

The knicks need a pg desperately but they draft Toppin cause he seems like the most talented, now your saying things like if he learns how do this or that he can fit.

I thought Obi was the Randle replacement, until he blew up. The year has allowed Obi to make improvements, in offense and defense. I'd like to see how he comes back during the Summer League. We should be looking for the eventual replacements for Bullock(Murphy lll) and Burks. Drafting at 19, 21 and 32, we can take the BPA and come away with someone good.

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xblvdels3
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7/2/2021  7:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2021  7:25 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:A lot of talent in this draft. Shame our coach and front office allegedly prefer 30 year old vets.

Who cares about taking roster spots or adding 5m to our cap


If one of these 4 players turn into a big time contributer to our future it’s a great succcess!


Just 1/4 has to be good. I would gladly use 5m in cap space and roster spots to add 1 player who helps us out.


How I see it…


Better odds to find a “player” with 4 chances


Than to say your sure this 1 guy is it that your moving up for.


Off the top only bouknight and mitchel I see helping us out if they fall in the 10-15 range you move up and get them.


I don’t want to hear about the 4s in that range or moody giddy etc

It’s bouknight or mitchel or draft talent where our picks fall

If the pick is not better than anybody we have or acquire then why bother.

Good teams don't rely on draft picks to get better. If that player is not NBA ready he is going to be benched or a limited role...draft by need..

The knicks need a pg desperately but they draft Toppin cause he seems like the most talented, now your saying things like if he learns how do this or that he can fit.


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Im all for moving up. Only for a difference maker. They have to be right.

A player who contributes or gives our arch rivals something to think about is a difference maker to me in the 10-15 range.

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7/2/2021  7:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2021  7:47 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:A lot of talent in this draft. Shame our coach and front office allegedly prefer 30 year old vets.

Who cares about taking roster spots or adding 5m to our cap


If one of these 4 players turn into a big time contributer to our future it’s a great succcess!


Just 1/4 has to be good. I would gladly use 5m in cap space and roster spots to add 1 player who helps us out.


How I see it…


Better odds to find a “player” with 4 chances


Than to say your sure this 1 guy is it that your moving up for.


Off the top only bouknight and mitchel I see helping us out if they fall in the 10-15 range you move up and get them.


I don’t want to hear about the 4s in that range or moody giddy etc

It’s bouknight or mitchel or draft talent where our picks fall

If the pick is not better than anybody we have or acquire then why bother.

Good teams don't rely on draft picks to get better. If that player is not NBA ready he is going to be benched or a limited role...draft by need..

The knicks need a pg desperately but they draft Toppin cause he seems like the most talented, now your saying things like if he learns how do this or that he can fit.

I thought Obi was the Randle replacement, until he blew up. The year has allowed Obi to make improvements, in offense and defense. I'd like to see how he comes back during the Summer League. We should be looking for the eventual replacements for Bullock(Murphy lll) and Burks. Drafting at 19, 21 and 32, we can take the BPA and come away with someone good.


Yea but everyone is in starphucking mode now or trying to move up and hope they pick a rising star.

I feel we did so well this year that everyone is skipping step 2 to jump to step 3 to fast.

The most important thing that must happen this off-season is not an acquisition.


1. Does Randle look in the mirror and say to himself damn my game wasn’t right in the playoffs how can I get better when it counts.

2. Toppin needs to come into his own this summer. I want to see him be the number 1 option in sumner league. I need to see him take the next step.

3. Iq needs to refine to the rough edges to his game and improve

4. RJ needs to get more shifty, more right hand and more pull up jumpers from 15 ft.

5. It’s time Robinson. Your 23/24.. time for grown man center action.

Extra


Knox - do you like basketball. Do you want to compete. Do you want to be great. It’s time. Show it!

Funny stuff

Ntlikina - we have 2-3 million for you if nobody else wants you lol

If these things happen we have Reached step 2. We have solidified ourselves as a mid range okayoff team.


The bonus 🍒 on top is adding a rookie/rookies or free agent players on good deals or signing a mid tier player with upside who can help us win a round or two


2022 we starphuck!!!


Congrats everyone 2020-2021 our first winning season. I expect 9 more!

Philc1
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7/2/2021  11:42 AM
Knicks absolutely need to continue going BPA in the draft. We can upgrade at PG in free agency or trade. I don’t mind a Center
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