Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:(Excluding picks 1-5) let’s be realistic

I think we could get to 6 if we moved all our picks this year a number 1 next year and Toppin.
(Not saying I would do this. Just saying we have the capital to get to 6 I believe)

The only players i won’t be totally upset about moving up for

Suggs
Barnes
Bouknight
Mitchell
Kispert

Any other player we may like I feel will fall to us in our 19-32 range.

So my question is..

Are any of these guys worth losing that much capital for?

I’m not packaging anything other than this year’s picks unless we get into the top 5 which is unlikely. If I’m packaging 19 and 21 I’m trying to get into the late lottery to target either Mitchell or Bouknight. Both are elite in areas of need. If not, I’ll stay put at 19 and draft Kispert, Duarte or Mann. And at 21 I Jackson or Bassey. For someone like Kispert I may package 19 and 32 to move up a couple spots, but I feel like there’s not a lot of difference this year in the middle of the first round. Mocks still have guys in the 14-25 range all over the board. Guys like Kispert, Jackson, Mann etc all mock someone between late lottery and mid 20s.

Exactly. We been on the same page about this for awhile.

xblvdels3 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:(Excluding picks 1-5) let’s be realistic

I think we could get to 6 if we moved all our picks this year a number 1 next year and Toppin.
(Not saying I would do this. Just saying we have the capital to get to 6 I believe)

The only players i won’t be totally upset about moving up for

Suggs
Barnes
Bouknight
Mitchell
Kispert

Any other player we may like I feel will fall to us in our 19-32 range.

So my question is..

Are any of these guys worth losing that much capital for?

I’m not packaging anything other than this year’s picks unless we get into the top 5 which is unlikely. If I’m packaging 19 and 21 I’m trying to get into the late lottery to target either Mitchell or Bouknight. Both are elite in areas of need. If not, I’ll stay put at 19 and draft Kispert, Duarte or Mann. And at 21 I Jackson or Bassey. For someone like Kispert I may package 19 and 32 to move up a couple spots, but I feel like there’s not a lot of difference this year in the middle of the first round. Mocks still have guys in the 14-25 range all over the board. Guys like Kispert, Jackson, Mann etc all mock someone between late lottery and mid 20s.

Exactly. We been on the same page about this for awhile.

Without getting too splashy this offseason and assuming they want to maintain some flexibility for 2022, i'd like to see them sign Ball or Lowry and trade up for Bouknight.

C Robinson/Gibson
F Randle/Toppin
F/G Bullock/Bouknight
G Barrett/Quickley
G Ball/Rose

That is basically the rotation next year. I have Bouknight listed as a backup SF, but i would assume Barrett would slide over to SF a lot with Bouknight, Rose, or Quickley playing some 2. Eventually we need to upgrade Bullock, but we don't necessarily need to do it all at once. If Quickley breaks out, or Bouknight becomes a legit scoring guard, Barrett will eventually slide over to the SF with either Quickley or Bouknight starting at SG. Same would go with if we make a move either via trade or in 2022 free agency for Beal or LaVine. Bouknight just seems like a guy who can bring instant offense at the wing sooner rather than later and has some upside. He could be a Jordan Clarkson type spark, or if he develops his playmaking with this coaching/development staff, become closer to a Jamal Murray type scoring guard. Having someone like Ball or Lowry who can play with different types of guards offers some interchangeability.

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:(Excluding picks 1-5) let’s be realistic

I think we could get to 6 if we moved all our picks this year a number 1 next year and Toppin.
(Not saying I would do this. Just saying we have the capital to get to 6 I believe)

The only players i won’t be totally upset about moving up for

Suggs
Barnes
Bouknight
Mitchell
Kispert

Any other player we may like I feel will fall to us in our 19-32 range.

So my question is..

Are any of these guys worth losing that much capital for?

I’m not packaging anything other than this year’s picks unless we get into the top 5 which is unlikely. If I’m packaging 19 and 21 I’m trying to get into the late lottery to target either Mitchell or Bouknight. Both are elite in areas of need. If not, I’ll stay put at 19 and draft Kispert, Duarte or Mann. And at 21 I Jackson or Bassey. For someone like Kispert I may package 19 and 32 to move up a couple spots, but I feel like there’s not a lot of difference this year in the middle of the first round. Mocks still have guys in the 14-25 range all over the board. Guys like Kispert, Jackson, Mann etc all mock someone between late lottery and mid 20s.

Exactly. We been on the same page about this for awhile.

Without getting too splashy this offseason and assuming they want to maintain some flexibility for 2022, i'd like to see them sign Ball or Lowry and trade up for Bouknight.

C Robinson/Gibson
F Randle/Toppin
F/G Bullock/Bouknight
G Barrett/Quickley
G Ball/Rose

That is basically the rotation next year. I have Bouknight listed as a backup SF, but i would assume Barrett would slide over to SF a lot with Bouknight, Rose, or Quickley playing some 2. Eventually we need to upgrade Bullock, but we don't necessarily need to do it all at once. If Quickley breaks out, or Bouknight becomes a legit scoring guard, Barrett will eventually slide over to the SF with either Quickley or Bouknight starting at SG. Same would go with if we make a move either via trade or in 2022 free agency for Beal or LaVine. Bouknight just seems like a guy who can bring instant offense at the wing sooner rather than later and has some upside. He could be a Jordan Clarkson type spark, or if he develops his playmaking with this coaching/development staff, become closer to a Jamal Murray type scoring guard. Having someone like Ball or Lowry who can play with different types of guards offers some interchangeability.

Why is Luka not in your rotation.

This would also mean the knicks will pocket more than half their Cap space again, None of the big name FA wanted to come here, and the roster is not much of an upgrade from last season.

I would think the knicks are more focus on acquiring better veteran Talent, rather than Gambling on rookies

Without getting too splashy this offseason and assuming they want to maintain some flexibility for 2022, i'd like to see them sign Ball or Lowry and trade up for Bouknight.

C Robinson/Gibson
F Randle/Toppin
F/G Bullock/Bouknight
G Barrett/Quickley
G Ball/Rose

That is basically the rotation next year. I have Bouknight listed as a backup SF, but i would assume Barrett would slide over to SF a lot with Bouknight, Rose, or Quickley playing some 2. Eventually we need to upgrade Bullock, but we don't necessarily need to do it all at once. If Quickley breaks out, or Bouknight becomes a legit scoring guard, Barrett will eventually slide over to the SF with either Quickley or Bouknight starting at SG. Same would go with if we make a move either via trade or in 2022 free agency for Beal or LaVine. Bouknight just seems like a guy who can bring instant offense at the wing sooner rather than later and has some upside. He could be a Jordan Clarkson type spark, or if he develops his playmaking with this coaching/development staff, become closer to a Jamal Murray type scoring guard. Having someone like Ball or Lowry who can play with different types of guards offers some interchangeability.
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Bouknight has certainly showed his worthiness coming into the draft. He may be moving higher up than we care to go. Deuce McBride has come into our range and would be a good addition to the team. I'm not really as fond of Ball as many others are. If he disappears in New Orleans, he'll do the same in NY. We know the crowds here are not as forgiving as other towns. I'm also in favor of Trey Murphy lll as an eventual Bullock replacement. He'll be an upgrade at the defensive and offensive end. A nice pickup that we can trade down for, with our second pick.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:(Excluding picks 1-5) let’s be realistic

I think we could get to 6 if we moved all our picks this year a number 1 next year and Toppin.
(Not saying I would do this. Just saying we have the capital to get to 6 I believe)

The only players i won’t be totally upset about moving up for

Suggs
Barnes
Bouknight
Mitchell
Kispert

Any other player we may like I feel will fall to us in our 19-32 range.

So my question is..

Are any of these guys worth losing that much capital for?

I’m not packaging anything other than this year’s picks unless we get into the top 5 which is unlikely. If I’m packaging 19 and 21 I’m trying to get into the late lottery to target either Mitchell or Bouknight. Both are elite in areas of need. If not, I’ll stay put at 19 and draft Kispert, Duarte or Mann. And at 21 I Jackson or Bassey. For someone like Kispert I may package 19 and 32 to move up a couple spots, but I feel like there’s not a lot of difference this year in the middle of the first round. Mocks still have guys in the 14-25 range all over the board. Guys like Kispert, Jackson, Mann etc all mock someone between late lottery and mid 20s.

Exactly. We been on the same page about this for awhile.

Without getting too splashy this offseason and assuming they want to maintain some flexibility for 2022, i'd like to see them sign Ball or Lowry and trade up for Bouknight.

C Robinson/Gibson
F Randle/Toppin
F/G Bullock/Bouknight
G Barrett/Quickley
G Ball/Rose

That is basically the rotation next year. I have Bouknight listed as a backup SF, but i would assume Barrett would slide over to SF a lot with Bouknight, Rose, or Quickley playing some 2. Eventually we need to upgrade Bullock, but we don't necessarily need to do it all at once. If Quickley breaks out, or Bouknight becomes a legit scoring guard, Barrett will eventually slide over to the SF with either Quickley or Bouknight starting at SG. Same would go with if we make a move either via trade or in 2022 free agency for Beal or LaVine. Bouknight just seems like a guy who can bring instant offense at the wing sooner rather than later and has some upside. He could be a Jordan Clarkson type spark, or if he develops his playmaking with this coaching/development staff, become closer to a Jamal Murray type scoring guard. Having someone like Ball or Lowry who can play with different types of guards offers some interchangeability.

Why is Luka not in your rotation.

This would also mean the knicks will pocket more than half their Cap space again, None of the big name FA wanted to come here, and the roster is not much of an upgrade from last season.

I would think the knicks are more focus on acquiring better veteran Talent, rather than Gambling on rookies

Luca will backup the guy who gets hurt. He is the backup to our 1 and 2 bench and starter.

Or he could first or second string if he turns out exceptional.

As far as cap space they could splurge on anotber guy other than bullock and give rose more money for 1 year.

And yea I unfortunately next year can just end up being a season where we are more competitive in the first or second round.

Or we can go for big splashes and starpucking and lose in the second round like the nets and be in nba purgatory.

To each their own. The front office will make this choice for us.

I’m
More attracted to playing ball in next years free agency

We need to improve to where talent will want to play with us for a discount just to win a ring. Take it slow. Build correctly

xblvdels3 wrote:I know sexton has issues but he can give us offense. Anyone mind his 20+ points per game playing our 1? His scoring ability can offset another teams pg scoring production like tray young.

He'd be 1 in name only. The team would still need someone to run the offense. Would Sexton's ability to attack the rim offset Lonzo's inability to grab the paint in the half-court? That's an expensive experiment.

xblvdels3 wrote:I know sexton has issues but he can give us offense. Anyone mind his 20+ points per game playing our 1? His scoring ability can offset another teams pg scoring production like tray young.

He definitely has to be under consideration for sure.