Welpee wrote:And then you have Milwaukee and the Clippers who built their final four teams with a different template. Bottom line is there are several paths to building a winner. We have to determine what's the best course for our team based on our assets.

Yeah but we’ve tried the other way for 20 years

Welpee wrote:And then you have Milwaukee and the Clippers who built their final four teams with a different template. Bottom line is there are several paths to building a winner. We have to determine what's the best course for our team based on our assets.

I think RJ projects to an all star. He's just really good and getting better in every way. He's got a good physical profile and his shooting sustains he's just gonna be a monster player for us.

I still have high hopes on Mitch as well. He needs to mature and improve a lot fundamentals but he brings so much and could really be a Camby/Tyson type hybrid... sprinkle in some Deke maybe as well.

IQ/Obi are both showing a ton of promise. Lot of upside there.

Luka is a wildcard. So is Frank for that matter. I think think there is a useful NBA player there, but I suspect we see it somewhere else. That being said who knows. I feel like the staff and team actually like him. I would be surprised to see Frank back on a Luka type deal... 3 years $10mm and team option years

Its REALLY hard to tell early on. You just gotta keep adding these guys and working on them. Who could have predicted the kind of player arc you see from a guy like Bam Adebayo?

I am just thrilled that at least its clear we are using this process. Building assets, fielding cheap home grown rotation players, having a chance on a prospect that might not have been a blue chipper go POP. The league is full of them... nice to see the Knicks bobbing for those apples. Makes the team so much more exciting

BRIGGS wrote:They drafted a great center
They drafted great wing players
They moved on chris paul
To pull it all together

And same with Atlanta. These teams were durable with younger players

We have 3 picks in a good draft — I hope we don’t try to short the process again.
Keep cap space open for right player. Keep acquiring and cultivating younger guys for long tern

Yup

fishmike wrote:

Welpee wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Welpee wrote:And then you have Milwaukee and the Clippers who built their final four teams with a different template. Bottom line is there are several paths to building a winner. We have to determine what's the best course for our team based on our assets.

Yeah but we’ve tried the other way for 20 years

Well, if you think about it we've also tried the draft/lottery route for the past several years too.

and have the Porzingis assets, RJ, IQ, Mitch and Obi to show for it with Knox/Frank being whiffs. I would say we are on the right path here.

The key is to add impact talent this year in FA. That is what allows you to keep all these picks and hopefully draft a project or two. I mean what if we draft Shariff Cooper at 21, let him run the G league team and it turns out he develops a nice stroke and is the next Isaiah Thomas... you know the healthy one.

Not saying the above will happen but at least I feel like we are playing that game (if they deem it worthy of spending the asset/pick on)

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Welpee wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Welpee wrote:And then you have Milwaukee and the Clippers who built their final four teams with a different template. Bottom line is there are several paths to building a winner. We have to determine what's the best course for our team based on our assets.

Yeah but we’ve tried the other way for 20 years

Well, if you think about it we've also tried the draft/lottery route for the past several years too.

and have the Porzingis assets, RJ, IQ, Mitch and Obi to show for it with Knox/Frank being whiffs. I would say we are on the right path here.

The key is to add impact talent this year in FA. That is what allows you to keep all these picks and hopefully draft a project or two. I mean what if we draft Shariff Cooper at 21, let him run the G league team and it turns out he develops a nice stroke and is the next Isaiah Thomas... you know the healthy one.

Not saying the above will happen but at least I feel like we are playing that game (if they deem it worthy of spending the asset/pick on)

Its funny you mention Shariffe Cooper. I have watched him play at least 5 times during the season and have been watching a ton of video on him over the last week. I love his game! His vision. amd cout awareness is elite. Best passing pg to come out of college in a long time. He is impossible to keep out of the paint because of his quickness, and he draws a ton of fouls. He shoots above 80% from the line which is encouraging considering his poor 3 pt %. I think his shot can be fixed ( he has a slow release and leans back on the jumper). Unfortunately his height can't be fixed. He would be targeted on defense. Sheriffe is a baller, though and Im torn on him.

Write up sounds great. With three essentially first round picks we can take a risk.

I think it's imperative we get some guys with a killer instinct, the right amount of swagger. A bit worried about Randle providing the alpha

and we need a real pg. needed for Obi, KK if we're ever considering him. Bullock

we need a playmaker

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:They drafted a great center
They drafted great wing players
They moved on chris paul
To pull it all together

And same with Atlanta. These teams were durable with younger players

We have 3 picks in a good draft — I hope we don’t try to short the process again.
Keep cap space open for right player. Keep acquiring and cultivating younger guys for long tern

Those teams got lucky and picked high in the right drafts. Mikal Bridges is the only miss we really had, Its not like we could of had Ayton or Young

Yeah we could have

Think about it, we had the 3rd pick (RJ) plus multiple future 1st rnd draft picks to move up one spot to take Ja..a position in need for 30 yrs

We had cap space to absorb CPs contract if we were aggressive, instead we resigned Payton

We drafted kp and Booker was 10 spots later.

we drafted OBI instead of Haliburton even though every mock draft had us taken him or killian hayes

We drafted Knox when bridges was they guy

Frank instead of Mitchell

The Knicks FO have been almost petrified to gamble or take Risk since walsh left. They have been super conservative and have not drafted well, just OK.

The don't draft well to be gun ho about up incoming drafts

This response is a mess.

Morant was not a draft night "miss" he was picked ahead of us which is the opposite of a "miss". There is no way to know if Memphis was even willing to move the pick or an offer was made or not.

CP was a FA and has nothing to do with a draft night miss.

KP was the correct choice at the time. Booker is better but you are reaching here. Definition really is taking a useleas player instead of someone who becomes very good to great.

Obi, Haliburton, Hayes - an intellectually honest person would know it is too soon to tell.

Bridges was mentioned in the post you responded to, are you being repetitive for effect?

Mitchell is the only one you got, and that was 2 front offices ago under Phil.

knicks1248 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:They drafted a great center
They drafted great wing players
They moved on chris paul
To pull it all together

And same with Atlanta. These teams were durable with younger players

We have 3 picks in a good draft — I hope we don’t try to short the process again.
Keep cap space open for right player. Keep acquiring and cultivating younger guys for long tern

Those teams got lucky and picked high in the right drafts. Mikal Bridges is the only miss we really had, Its not like we could of had Ayton or Young

Yeah we could have

Think about it, we had the 3rd pick (RJ) plus multiple future 1st rnd draft picks to move up one spot to take Ja..a position in need for 30 yrs

We had cap space to absorb CPs contract if we were aggressive, instead we resigned Payton

We drafted kp and Booker was 10 spots later.

we drafted OBI instead of Haliburton even though every mock draft had us taken him or killian hayes

We drafted Knox when bridges was they guy

Frank instead of Mitchell

The Knicks FO have been almost petrified to gamble or take Risk since walsh left. They have been super conservative and have not drafted well, just OK.

The don't draft well to be gun ho about up incoming drafts

This response is a mess.

Morant was not a draft night "miss" he was picked ahead of us which is the opposite of a "miss". There is no way to know if Memphis was even willing to move the pick or an offer was made or not.

CP was a FA and has nothing to do with a draft night miss.

KP was the correct choice at the time. Booker is better but you are reaching here. Definition really is taking a useleas player instead of someone who becomes very good to great.

Obi, Haliburton, Hayes - an intellectually honest person would know it is too soon to tell.

Bridges was mentioned in the post you responded to, are you being repetitive for effect?

Mitchell is the only one you got, and that was 2 front offices ago under Phil.

My point was not about us missing anything or anyone, it's more about not going aggressively after a player like Ja or whoever.

They have been very passive when it comes to getting the right PG, and it's been the biggest need for this franchise for how many yrs..

phil was ready to trade KP little after he got him, and it's no secrete MILL was a conservative an in experience.

The past moves have gotten 2 presidents fired and several coaches, so clearly the moves could have been done better.

Same for the suns past FO regimes, but it is what it is, learn the from mistakes of others and learn the good things that others do to succeed.

BTW I like RJ, best pick since EWING, but i liked Ja better.

YOu assume JA was available with no basis of fact
“Learn from past mistakes” but you fail to understand the principles in what you deem failure no longer are employed. You say “Conservative”? Taking young guys is hardly that.
Mitchell was picked 14th. Knicks not the only team that “Missed”.
You make no point. Leon and company are not looking at the past. they are looking at this draft, this roster and this coach. Not thinking about Channing Frye (Deemed a safe pick) or Jordan Hill.
And please, not the “GSW TOOK CURRY BECUASE DONNIE WANTEDD HIM” fable. If you know for a fact Donnie tried or not to move up to get him please reference it. Sometimes the price is not reasonable and Steph was not projected to be a HOF MVP or he would have went higher!