Bullock and burks can be replaced with a solid drafted player like (size and measurements counts)

Kispert
Duarte
Tre mann
Springer
Cam Thomas
Tre Murphy

Noel could be replaced by bassey but it will take 2 years for development.

Burks seems to be great 1/5 1/10 games he looks like an elite wing. The other 4 or 9 games it’s not much going on there. (Burks did win about 10 games for us his season)

Bullock is more stable but he disappears sometimes and bricks sometimes. He can’t dribble

He probably won us like 8-10 games as well

Both players were 40 percent from 3 this year. Both players will give you anywhere between 8-25 points with 25 points being once every 10 games and the 8 being 4/5 games

Fill their job with rookies or a cheaper alternative in free agency. Maybe keep 1

Noel
Burks
Bullock

I’d say keep 1.. who are we keeping?

BRIGGS wrote:Here’s my thought process
Keep the core of guys as follows
Randle
Rj
Quickley
Obi
Mitch
Rose ( back up pg at the right price)
1 of bullock or burcks( I think I’m leaning burcks)
Goodbye to Noel( too expensive did not have the bounce needed against Atlanta)
Probably a goodbye to Gibson( good player but only as 4-5 big
Goodbye to frank Knox Payton

What we need
#1 size We need to use one of our picks or cap space on an athletic big man who can also score some
#2 pg I’ve advocated for Payne using mle. We get to watch him closely probably for another 8-12 games.
I’m well aware that we could try to go even higher here but I’m thinking the combo of Payne Rose draft pick will be a major improvement
#3 I’d like us to mix in a European player with size who can shoot pass dribble. Kind of like what he hawks have with bogdonavich 6-7 minimum height
#4 open to bigger deals even possible that include some core guys up top if it makes sense
#5 an athletic scrapper with two way skills. A jyd type. Last night I was upset how we were not getting to lose balls rebounds etc. Tgis should never happen and all teams need a scrappy player who sets tones

We have something but last night it was obvious we are not one player away nor two. Unless a trade presents a strange opportunity we will need a combination of our draft picks maybe a smart trade and good use of cap space to bring in 5-7 new guys who will help the team. We need more size— tgis series made that clear.

Moonangie wrote:I think this round 1 performance demonstrated that neither Julius nor RJ are #1 scorers. They are both #2s. Until we get that primary scorer (e.g., Beal type) we will struggle to win first round series, let alone advance to ECF. Should we take care of getting our #1 first, and then find the complementary pieces?

fishmike wrote:you need another star. This is why fantastic players like Melo or KG have failed year after year in the playoffs... you must have other star players or at least a cast of just around all star caliber talent like Kawhi had with Lowry/Siakem/Powell

Thinking role players and Cameron Payne is what the Knicks need is really exposing a lack of understanding of what drives winning an NBA title from you Briggs.

Knicks need all star caliber player(s) who can impose their will on the opposition. Without that you are watching your star get doubled and tripled and hoping like hell guys like Reggie Bullock (love him) get hot. Just ask Steph Curry.

Knicks have Randle/Mitch/RJ/IQ/Obi/Luka/Knox/Pele already signed and that's a fantastic start because they have the cap space to sign close to two max guys or absorb them that is a nice supporting cast right out of the gate.

Leon is targeting super star players. Derrick Rose even eluded to this when asked if he would be back. Said he would love to but the plans may be bigger than him.

I don't think the goal is to build a championship team by next season. For a change, we need to start building the roster intelligently for the long term.

fitzfarm wrote:I think this team should really go after Norman Powell a perfect 3 and D who can also put the ball on the floor. Getting him in his prime years . You could resign burks or bullock to back him up.

We need a pass first pg that makes life easier for our starters . Who can that PG be?

My "realistic" list has Powell and Ball in it. I mean, they are attainable if we open the wallet. Not necessarily a trade, although maybe with Ball.

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think this team should really go after Norman Powell a perfect 3 and D who can also put the ball on the floor. Getting him in his prime years . You could resign burks or bullock to back him up.

We need a pass first pg that makes life easier for our starters . Who can that PG be?

My "realistic" list has Powell and Ball in it. I mean, they are attainable if we open the wallet. Not necessarily a trade, although maybe with Ball.

Playing for thibs might be exactly what both Powell and ball need to reach the next level. ESP with our player development coaches .

At first I wasn’t a fan of going after ball but considering his foundation, his core value as a pass first PG who’s a strong defensive player and a big PG who is only 23 years old . I think playing for thibs and having a mentor like rose takes him to a new level of play. The improved 3 is a nice plus as well.

The only question is will the pels let him walk?

Moonangie wrote:I think this round 1 performance demonstrated that neither Julius nor RJ are #1 scorers. They are both #2s. Until we get that primary scorer (e.g., Beal type) we will struggle to win first round series, let alone advance to ECF. Should we take care of getting our #1 first, and then find the complementary pieces?

Yes to this. Neither RJ or Julius have the handle or ability to consistently get their own basket at a playoff level. And I don't know if that is a Yet or just at all. Having even a halfway decent passing PG would help both tremendously and probably unlock a little bit more scoring ease for each.

Knixkik wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think this team should really go after Norman Powell a perfect 3 and D who can also put the ball on the floor. Getting him in his prime years . You could resign burks or bullock to back him up.

We need a pass first pg that makes life easier for our starters . Who can that PG be?

My "realistic" list has Powell and Ball in it. I mean, they are attainable if we open the wallet. Not necessarily a trade, although maybe with Ball.

Playing for thibs might be exactly what both Powell and ball need to reach the next level. ESP with our player development coaches .

At first I wasn’t a fan of going after ball but considering his foundation, his core value as a pass first PG who’s a strong defensive player and a big PG who is only 23 years old . I think playing for thibs and having a mentor like rose takes him to a new level of play. The improved 3 is a nice plus as well.

The only question is will the pels let him walk?

I'm a fan of both Ball and Powell. The only issue is you're spending all your longterm dollars to get them and Randle is still our #1 option. Just feel we need to aim higher.

Yes.

Use cap space today with the possibility of trading players later or keep cap space and use it 1 year later.

Knixkik wrote:I know we always go back and forth on Bullock and Burks but you have to keep Bullock for 3 reasons. 1 is Burks is only at his best when he's scoring, and although he's won us a lot of games, the bench ball duties are tight with Rose/Quickley on the roster and needing the ball. 2 is we have Bullock's bird rights, which makes a difference. 3 is Bullocks misses less time than Burks. Bottom line is Bullock has become the heart of the defense, even when not shooting well. In a smaller role he's the guy.

I'd love to keep Burks, but where we improve is to simply find a better version of Burks, and start that player at either PG or wing (and Bullock goes to the bench.) Lowry, DeRozan, Powell via free agency or Brogdon, TJ Warren, Marcus Smart via trade. Someone who can go out and get buckets and provide secondary playmaking when needed, be it a PG or wing.

Ok good points. Leaning slightly towards bullock now