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6/1/2021  2:21 PM
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6/1/2021  4:23 PM
I agree but i think at some point we just have to accept this team overachieved and it's showing a bit in the playoffs. We can get better in the offseason and come back more ready to be a playoff team.
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6/1/2021  5:39 PM
Knixkik wrote:I agree but i think at some point we just have to accept this team overachieved and it's showing a bit in the playoffs. We can get better in the offseason and come back more ready to be a playoff team.

Yep. I think we got caught up into the knicks regular season success, and forgot we overachieved during the regular season. I also think Thibs was brought in to change the culture and create a base for this team to grow from. If the FO knew we were good enough to make noise in the playoffs, would thibs be the ideal coach? I could be wrong, but I don't think thibs has a good playoff resume. 🤔 And I think if thibs is our coach in the long term, we need more vets that can play starter mins, to help thibs out. Randle and RJ did not play well up to this point in the playoffs...but they will grow from this.. And this team will go as far as they go. They lead the team in mins....so they have to show up.

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blkexec wrote:
Knixkik wrote:I agree but i think at some point we just have to accept this team overachieved and it's showing a bit in the playoffs. We can get better in the offseason and come back more ready to be a playoff team.

Yep. I think we got caught up into the knicks regular season success, and forgot we overachieved during the regular season. I also think Thibs was brought in to change the culture and create a base for this team to grow from. If the FO knew we were good enough to make noise in the playoffs, would thibs be the ideal coach? I could be wrong, but I don't think thibs has a good playoff resume. 🤔 And I think if thibs is our coach in the long term, we need more vets that can play starter mins, to help thibs out. Randle and RJ did not play well up to this point in the playoffs...but they will grow from this.. And this team will go as far as they go. They lead the team in mins....so they have to show up.

This series was lost if Randle didn't dominate his matchups. Whether Thibs did a good job of maximizing him is something to look at later. But Randle's poise isn't there. He seemed to slow the game down during the regular season, but is more rushed in this series. I'm sure you've seen it with kids playing in their first tournament. The urgency is their, but decision making is out the window.

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6/1/2021  6:41 PM
My view of things is in game 4, at the very least, Randle started getting looks or was taking shots without hesitating that was more in line with what we were used to. Unfortunately he still missed everything, but a ton of shots just barely rimmed out, and hopefully the law of averages kicks in and we see a better game from him next. That's my positive spin.
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6/1/2021  6:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2021  8:05 PM
VDesai wrote:My view of things is in game 4, at the very least, Randle started getting looks or was taking shots without hesitating that was more in line with what we were used to. Unfortunately he still missed everything, but a ton of shots just barely rimmed out, and hopefully the law of averages kicks in and we see a better game from him next. That's my positive spin.

They play better when everyone expects them to lose. Just watch how they look tomorrowtonight, with their back to the wall.

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6/1/2021  6:50 PM
One of my friends made a good point on Randle - he worked hard this year, but also came into the year without the weight of expectations. He played with virtually no crowds all years, so without that bit of pressure he thrived. Then when we started the playoffs, the entire city of NY started chanting MVP every time he touched the ball and he clearly started pressing. Many different reasons why he is performing poorly, but part of it could very well be that things need to settle down for him.
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6/1/2021  11:20 PM
It's got to come from the fifteen.

Knicks need to throttle the Atlanta offense. No matter how you slice or dice it, Frankie needs some minutes preferably with Quickly. Disrupt that offense, make them scratch their heads, and miss a few. Introduce some doubt and hesitancy.

Conversely, the Knicks need to find and make easy shots. Nothing forced and shoot the damned ball when you have the shot. No more hot potato.

Stop counting on Randle. Let him play for what its worth. But if Obie has the hot hand, run with it.

We need a surprise. If Thibs just does same old, same old I think we're cooked. Body language of that group looked awful last game.
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6/2/2021  8:04 AM
Great new ideas don’t always work. I trust that Thibs is as prepared as any and perhaps at the end of the day its not a matter of resigning to the fact we cooked but that you done the best you could and after go to bed satisfied. I’m not saying “settle” but not for anything look at the season objectively and really it’s was a qualified success regardless of a first round bounce.
We here at the 4th seed which put us square in the middle of respectable street against a team that also did quite well after it got its coaching settled.
With a. Nice long TV rating inspired break Thibs might have something up his sleeve but reality is a few tweaks and better execution is what is needed. I’m harping on one thing and thats ATL is preventing Knicks from execution of their game and thats to be commended. Thats not losing, its being defeated. Maybe some fans can’t accept that which is ones prerogative. All teams will give and deny and if you can’t execute what they give you its game over. They are respecting the **** out of Randle and will let Rose have what he can. They know Barret is deadly in the right corner and they are not letting him get there. They know Noel is on one leg and Capella is the standard for the position outside of Gorbert. Miss mitch? We do. He would have had quite he education this round.
We can think “Man, look at how they double Randle, why isn’t thibs not adjusting.....”. Well, credit ATL for knowing our core offense and taking out what made our man MIP and an all star this year. After that we are not executing because we are not that great. Burks is not Kobe so in time that won’t work. Bullock does not create his own thus they defend his catch and shoot. They have a great team defense anchored by Capella that gives them ability to recover better than most.
The 4-5 match up is often the toughest as two teams even in the first round almost seems unfair. But it is. Season goes on another 10 games as it should perhaps we fall to 7th given the talent of Miami. Sure they folded up tent vs. Milwaukee but Bucks are damn good!
That we were a top 8 team made for a great season. Nalod not gonna go all super stupid fan and say “I expect a win tonite because we in the mecca!”. This season is not “normal” and while ATL lacks playoff experience neither does our team. I want a win. I want to go back to ATL. I don’t want this season to end. I’m gonna turn on the TV and let it all get sorted on the court.
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6/2/2021  11:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2021  11:03 AM
Because a lot of people underestimated ATL due to us not losing to them in the regular season, it has caused people to overreact to us being down 3-1 to them in the playoffs. We can certainly play better but I'm certainly not going to trash the knicks over this playoff performance. Fans are acting as if we were truly a title contending team. If you thought that, the team not meeting your playoff expectations is your fault.
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6/2/2021  11:58 AM
Welpee wrote:Because a lot of people underestimated ATL due to us not losing to them in the regular season, it has caused people to overreact to us being down 3-1 to them in the playoffs. We can certainly play better but I'm certainly not going to trash the knicks over this playoff performance. Fans are acting as if we were truly a title contending team. If you thought that, the team not meeting your playoff expectations is your fault.

Good points. Some also assumed Coach Mac would also fail in the first round just because he did previously with other teams.
Yes, Randle avg’d 37 per in 3 meetings. Just assuming that would continue. And of course ATL bow to the Mecca and be humiliated.
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6/2/2021  2:22 PM
A few thoughts:
* We finished with the seed we wanted/needed/deserved. We didn't want to drop to 6th or lower. And if you can get HCA, you take it. This was the best match up available to us, playing hard or tanking, over the last 2 weeks of the season.
* The Hawks are a difficult match up. Trae Young has us off balance - just a quick move and our defense is broken. The fact that they have multiple shooters (that keep hurting us) prevents the Knicks from doubling up Young.
* Julius Randle has basically become a perimeter player on offense - he's been playing this way for a month or so. He's gotten away from mixing it up offensively - but credit the Hawks defense at making it challenging for him to operate inside.
* As much as the Knicks need an offensive threat to keep Capela honest and spaced, but you don't really want Noel/Taj taking volumes of shots because.
* The layoff due to the play-in tournament did not work in the Knicks favor - it seemed as if the team lost their rhythm.
* I didn't like the switch from Elfrid as starter (nor the switch to Taj as starter), but the team was desperate to for a way to get the team going early. The switch to Taj has been a bit of necessity - Noel must've hurt his leg bad early in the series but has been playing through it. However, it's really messed with our rotation. We really could use some good news from Mitch right about now.
* Game 1 had a weird line up at the end - it's like Bullock has become so essential to us. Burks was on fire, Rose was hot too.

For next season:
* Randle needs to bring back some of his inside game - and basically get back to being a 50%+ FG type of guy, and get his 2pt% up.
* Similarly, RJ needs to work on some back to the basket moves - and bring his 2pt% up.


Can we win this series? I think so. It starts with 1 win. The team needs to figure out a way to slow down Trae. Hopefully they looked at how other teams handled him. He averaged 25ppg this season, so not a lot of teams stopped him. They also need to optimize their offense and get the ball moving, put some pressure on Atlanta's defense. When the Knicks go into ISO-offense mode, it almost makes it too easy for the Hawks.

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6/2/2021  2:32 PM
technomaster wrote:A few thoughts:
* We finished with the seed we wanted/needed/deserved. We didn't want to drop to 6th or lower. And if you can get HCA, you take it. This was the best match up available to us, playing hard or tanking, over the last 2 weeks of the season.
* The Hawks are a difficult match up. Trae Young has us off balance - just a quick move and our defense is broken. The fact that they have multiple shooters (that keep hurting us) prevents the Knicks from doubling up Young.
* Julius Randle has basically become a perimeter player on offense - he's been playing this way for a month or so. He's gotten away from mixing it up offensively - but credit the Hawks defense at making it challenging for him to operate inside.
* As much as the Knicks need an offensive threat to keep Capela honest and spaced, but you don't really want Noel/Taj taking volumes of shots because.
* The layoff due to the play-in tournament did not work in the Knicks favor - it seemed as if the team lost their rhythm.
* I didn't like the switch from Elfrid as starter (nor the switch to Taj as starter), but the team was desperate to for a way to get the team going early. The switch to Taj has been a bit of necessity - Noel must've hurt his leg bad early in the series but has been playing through it. However, it's really messed with our rotation. We really could use some good news from Mitch right about now.
* Game 1 had a weird line up at the end - it's like Bullock has become so essential to us. Burks was on fire, Rose was hot too.

For next season:
* Randle needs to bring back some of his inside game - and basically get back to being a 50%+ FG type of guy, and get his 2pt% up.
* Similarly, RJ needs to work on some back to the basket moves - and bring his 2pt% up.


Can we win this series? I think so. It starts with 1 win. The team needs to figure out a way to slow down Trae. Hopefully they looked at how other teams handled him. He averaged 25ppg this season, so not a lot of teams stopped him. They also need to optimize their offense and get the ball moving, put some pressure on Atlanta's defense. When the Knicks go into ISO-offense mode, it almost makes it too easy for the Hawks.

Think about it, with Randle and RJ struggling offensively and Payton and Noel not giving you anything offensively, Thibs almost had no choice but to inject some offensive potential into the starting lineup. If Randle was still producing like he had all season, we probably don't replace Payton.

People criticize Thibs for not making any adjustments (which is not true) and also criticize him for making adjustments. I'm just not sure he had many options.

Also, considering the minutes our keys guys were playing this season (RJ, Randle) and Rose needing some time off, I actually think the one week break was much needed. I kinda felt like we ended the season playing a bit on fumes.
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